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post #691 of 3267
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Originally Posted by Big Pun 
I work at an intelligence agency, so absolutely no one save one person supports Hill dog. And that one person is voting for her because "it's about time we have a female president." I suppose that's a good reason to vote for her. The libtards support Bernie, note that all of them are under 30. Republican support is mixed and lukewarm except for a few gay dudes that love Trump. I think they even started a website about it.

I heard someone on the radio predicting that we'd have record turnout in November. I don't know how they're getting that, because basically every candidate is going to leave significant chunks of the voting base with huge reservations. Centrists have reservations about Bernie, nobody is really all that happy about Hills. Trump is...Trump, Cruz is going to leave all the non-evangelicals cold, and Rubio isn't going to get all the anti-establishment voters.
post #692 of 3267
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

I am still not sure whether Trump is brilliant for creating the niche he's got, or whether he just stumbled into it. But boy has he done it.

He's thrown his hat in the ring before and not even made a spark, so I don't think it's just unique brilliance. I think he fell into the right sort of shtick at the right time, then proved amazingly adept at running with it.
post #693 of 3267
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

He's thrown his hat in the ring before and not even made a spark, so I don't think it's just unique brilliance. I think he fell into the right sort of shtick at the right time, then proved amazingly adept at running with it.

He's talked about entering a race, but never done it till now.

And I believe his success is due to the combination of "luck and smarts" analysis.

Go back and listen to his entry announcement. Everything was being said on the fly ( well, I suppose he prepared for an hour or two ). Nothing was ideological or heartfelt. He just threw in the comments about Mexican rapists, and was smart enough to see all the attention it brought him in an "Any news is good news" type of way. He's done that repeatedly with other "issues" ( like "winning" the Iraq War and taking their oil to pay the vets ).

It remains to be seen if his "formula" of provocative BS statements and impossible promises ( health care for all, but better, and cheaper than the to be repealed Obamacare ), policy-lite speeches, and free publicity will be enough. I think it's more likely than unlikely that he fades, and you can be certain that he will not be a gracious loser while he is going down.

I will do nothing to support him, but if he runs against Sanders or Hillary, I would certainly vote for him since he would represent a complete and utter repudiation of the Dems, multi-culturalism and Obama.

I've always said ( as has Trump ) that Bush 43's complete failure made the ironic Obama Presidency possible . Wouldn't it be doubly ironic, if Obama's Presidency makes a win by a buffoon like Trump possible.
post #694 of 3267
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post

He's talked about entering a race, but never done it till now.
I don't think he started out any differently this time, just dipping his toes in the water to see if he got any response. It never worked before. This time he did, for the reasons you mentioned.
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It remains to be seen if his "formula" of provocative BS statements and impossible promises ( health care for all, but better, and cheaper than the to be repealed Obamacare ), policy-lite speeches, and free publicity will be enough. I think it's more likely than unlikely that he fades, and you can be certain that he will not be a gracious loser while he is going down.

He promised to save something like $500 billion a year on prescription drugs, and the whole country only spends $375 billion. He's just making shit up, and nobody seems to care. It's pretty amazing (just like his mythical policies).

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I've always said ( as has Trump ) that Bush 43's complete failure made the ironic Obama Presidency possible . Wouldn't it be doubly ironic, if Obama's Presidency makes a win by a buffoon like Trump possible.

It's an interesting corollary, but Obama was basically just a gifted speaker without a lot of experience but well within the mainstream of the party. Trump is only possible because the right is upset with Obama and really, really discontent with the mainstream Republican party. It would be as much as repudiation of their tactics over the last eight years as one of Obama.
post #695 of 3267
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

It's an interesting corollary, but Obama was basically just a gifted speaker without a lot of experience but well within the mainstream of the party. Trump is only possible because the right is upset with Obama and really, really discontent with the mainstream Republican party. It would be as much as repudiation of their tactics over the last eight years as one of Obama.

You're right. Trump is probably a "repudiate both sides" candidate that has a slim chance. Sanders, similar in a way, has no chance and is like an afterthought.

This is fine with me and fine with many people this cycle. I just can't see enough "repudiate" voters to get Trump elected. But with Hillary such a poor candidate, who knows.
Edited by rnoldh - 2/22/16 at 9:07pm
post #696 of 3267
What positions of Trump's are so extreme, anyway -- other than being a stupid loudmouth, I mean? Many, if not most, of his positions are centrist.

He defends planned parenthood, medicaid and medicare and social security. He advocates for the government "negotiating" (i.e., dictating prices) on prescription drugs (as to the supposed savings, he just mis-stated a number for ten years as an annual one). He supports Assad in Syria and constantly rails about the war in Iraq. He advocates all sorts of protectionist measures, or at least he talks like he does. He constantly rails against the influence of money on politics, saying that he's immune to it because he's rich. He wants to deport all illegal aliens, which is what the law currently says is supposed to happen, and is supported by a significant part of the population.

My impression is that Trump only sounds extreme because he talks off the cuff and occasionally says really stupid stuff, then doubles down on it.
post #697 of 3267
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post


My impression is that Trump only sounds extreme because he talks off the cuff and occasionally says really stupid stuff, then doubles down on it.

In today's politics, talking off the cuff and refusing to back down, and then doubling down is considered extreme. In the GOP, accusing GWB of lying ( which I wholeheartedly agree with ), is considered extreme. To the Dems, building a 2,000 mile wall is extreme ( though "getting the Mexicans to pay for it" is some of the best schtick ever )

Having said that, I have no problem with Trump's schtick, and I see no one I would vote for before him.

Maybe Goldwater predicted a Trump, back in 1964,

Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!
Maybe Barry meant it differently, and maybe Trump is not what he had in mind, but it sort of fits.

Let us not forget, Trump will make America great again, and we will win so much, we will get tired of winning,

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Trump is the Laurence Olivier of political theatre.
post #698 of 3267
And a little late night lagniappe,

Donald Trump on protester: 'I'd like to punch him in the face'

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/23/politics/donald-trump-nevada-rally-punch/

"I'd like to punch him in the face," Trump said, remarking that a man disrupting his rally was escorted out with a smile on his face. "He's smiling, having a good time."
post #699 of 3267
Finally in tribute to Trump fan Harvey Falcon,
post #700 of 3267
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

What positions of Trump's are so extreme, anyway -- other than being a stupid loudmouth, I mean? Many, if not most, of his positions are centrist.

He defends planned parenthood, medicaid and medicare and social security. He advocates for the government "negotiating" (i.e., dictating prices) on prescription drugs (as to the supposed savings, he just mis-stated a number for ten years as an annual one). He supports Assad in Syria and constantly rails about the war in Iraq. He advocates all sorts of protectionist measures, or at least he talks like he does. He constantly rails against the influence of money on politics, saying that he's immune to it because he's rich. He wants to deport all illegal aliens, which is what the law currently says is supposed to happen, and is supported by a significant part of the population.

My impression is that Trump only sounds extreme because he talks off the cuff and occasionally says really stupid stuff, then doubles down on it.

 

 

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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post


In today's politics, talking off the cuff and refusing to back down, and then doubling down is considered extreme. In the GOP, accusing GWB of lying ( which I wholeheartedly agree with ), is considered extreme. To the Dems, building a 2,000 mile wall is extreme ( though "getting the Mexicans to pay for it" is some of the best schtick ever )

Having said that, I have no problem with Trump's schtick, and I see no one I would vote for before him.

Maybe Goldwater predicted a Trump, back in 1964,

Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice! Maybe Barry meant it differently, and maybe Trump is not what he had in mind, but it sort of fits.

Let us not forget, Trump will make America great again, and we will win so much, we will get tired of winning,

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Trump is the Laurence Olivier of political theatre.

 

Trumps positions aren't extreme per-se, but they're hugely populist and authoritarian.  I mean, the guy thinks Kelo v. New London was a good SCOTUS decision.  How can anyone describing themselves as conservative support someone who like Kelo v. New London?

post #701 of 3267
Hillary is about to do something, she never did with BIll,

She's about to go down,

The former State Department staffer who set up Hillary Clinton's private email server in her home has been granted immunity, the Washington Post reports it has learned form an unnamed senior federal law enforcement official.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/03/02/report-former-clinton-staffer-granted-immunity-email-flap/81246378/



More about the flip flopping about to start,

Immunity given to key State computer specialist, expect others to flip as well.

http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/03/hillary-email-scandal-moves-into-flip-flip-flip-phase/#more-163230

If Huma flips, it will be a wrap.
post #702 of 3267
It looks like a Trump - Clinton race and things are heating up.

There are reports that Trump backers have finally set up a PAC, and here are some sneak peeks of their initial efforts.




post #703 of 3267
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Originally Posted by munchausen View Post

Trump seems to have the most diverse supporters. Not many politicians have a following among both hardcore racists AND blacks.

Trump is baffling. The guy's a lecher, lies pretty much constantly, is pro-choice, and proudly states he's never asked God for forgiveness, arguably the second most-important practice/tenet of Christianity. And yet, the evangelicals still support him. Says things like Mexicans are rapists, Muslims should all be barred from coming in, and the Pope's a weakling, but then says he doesn't want to jump to conclusions about the KKK. And most black conservatives I know, when they aren't riding their unicorns, state that he's their choice. He's an especially egregious example of Jersey trash, yet will probably win most of the South. The guy is a fucking wizard.
post #704 of 3267
Cruz is getting most of the evangelical vote though. That's pretty much the only people voting for him as far as I know.


It's funny how many people don't like Trump because he curses. I must be deeply enmeshed in my sinful culture, because that's just such a silly thing to pick to dislike Trump out of all the options.
post #705 of 3267
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

Cruz is getting most of the evangelical vote though. That's pretty much the only people voting for him as far as I know.
I don't think this is true. Polls showed that Trump was capturing a larger portion of Evangelicals than Cruz. I think there are a lot of conservatives who support Cruz that aren't Evangelicals. The closed primary states should be very interesting.
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