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Originally Posted by greger View Post

Speak for yourself.
The Bush's were neoconservatism. Is that the kind you like?

Sr's foreign policy was internationalist realist, not a neoconservative.

Reagan's was idealistic but often just reflected the last person in the room with him when the decision was made.
Edited by NoVaguy - 9/21/16 at 3:01pm
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

^ ye well I have to concede that point in this discussion it will be hard for trump to steal those swing states and a lot can happen till the election either in his favour or in favour of Hillary- so we will have to wait and see

The fact is the momentum is with Trump and politics is like rugby - all forward movement is good - especially if you are notionally behind.

I see notionally for the reasons elaborated by double OO above and elsewhere.

The fact is Nate Silver initially factored that Trump had a 3% chance of winning the White House. Today, it's 48%.
post #2073 of 3302
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Originally Posted by double00 View Post


what it means is pretty simple i think. let me try another way: the folks that i've talked to who will be voting for Clinton have made it perfectly clear that they're really voting against Trump. whether that is based on personality or issue or whatever the question is when the time comes will they bother? if Trump should somehow slay the debates will that energize his opposition or break them? 

whether it sounds cool or not the statement is more comprehensible when taken with the sentences around it (that's called a paragraph). there's a difference between a voter who will for instance cast a vote for Obama in 2012 versus a voter who will cast a vote against Trump in 2016. are they the same? call it sophistry, straw man, whatever. i'm not making a prediction anyways, i'm simply pointing out that for many the choice is distasteful at best. to my mind that will a profound impact on turnout. 

if voting was mandatory i'd agree with you that the distinction is meaningless. but it's not so i don't!
Makes sense.
post #2074 of 3302
Hillary Clinton's appearance on Between Two Ferns with Zack Galifianakis.

http://mashable.com/2016/09/22/hillary-clinton-between-two-ferns-interview/#lkLoL0B4aZqQ
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Yaaaaawn. Painful, like any public appearance involving two uninteresting people. Stay on script Zack, stay on script. Yaaawn.
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Yaaaaawn. Painful, like any public appearance involving two uninteresting people. Stay on script Zack, stay on script. Yaaawn.

You must be fun at parties.
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Originally Posted by Jr Mouse View Post

You must be fun at parties.
He doesn't get invited because his birds aren't housebroken.
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Must ignore the troll-must ignore the troll-must ignore the trol-l Come on Mouse you can do it -must ignore the troll............................

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C'mon guys don't be shy thumb each other posts like true friends.
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C'mon guys don't be shy thumb each other posts like true friends.

 

I thumbed your post; can we be friends now?

post #2081 of 3302
Not yet, but I feel strange camaraderie with you now, like I belong. I am one of the guys, just like you. Next thing you know we talke how we both love Adam Sandler's movies...
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Not yet, but I feel strange camaraderie with you now, like I belong. I am one of the guys, just like you. Next thing you know we talke how we both love Adam Sandler's movies...

 

Unless we're talking about Billy Madison or Happy Gilmore,  I doubt it.

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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

Define the difference.  What's the difference between conservative, libertarian, and classic liberal.

Did you mean Reactionary instead of classic liberal?

You could say both Reagan and Trump are reactionaries.
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Did you mean Reactionary instead of classic liberal?

You could say both Reagan and Trump are reactionaries.

 

No.  People throw around things like "so and so isn't a true conservative" or whatever.  So I want a clear distinction between what the various labels mean.  We can add neo-con to the list too.  How are those four groups different?  How are they the same.

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Not going to give academic answers, because I haven't thought of it that way for a while.

Libertarians- how much government do they want? Not much. I would say not enough. Some of them want to make up their own rules of morality (with that they can shake hands with the liberals).

Liberals- how much government do they want? They are huge into bureaucracy. At the rate things are going you will need 50 permits, all with fees, and, okayed, just to pee in a public urine. Simply, to much government.

Conservatives are in between the two.
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