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post #1846 of 3373
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well he doesn't he doubles down, that's why people like him- he's unapologetic

He has taken to calling idiotic statements "sarcasm" after a day or two of criticism.
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that's actually valid criticism imo

Which part is valid criticism?
post #1847 of 3373
I don't rent to Eastern Europeans, Young Brits, prostitutes that come for Formula I or any blacks: that includes Arabs, Africans or Indians. I don't hate those people I discriminate against them because they are shitty tenants. If blacks were the best paying customers I would exclusively rent to them.
So charges of racism are as stupid as people making them.
post #1848 of 3373
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Trump has no background at all in foreign policy and has never demonstrated any knowledge or even interest in learning. Why should anyone give him the benefit of the doubt? Lack of foreign policy experience was one of the criticisms of Obama back in 2008, he won mostly on having not voted for Iraq. But he had still at least been in the Senate and exposed to the issues.

this, that's my biggest knock on him that he is not curious to already be very well versed in this. So what you said is imo 100% on point.
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I think you're missing the point. Wanting to own slaves rather than pay fieldworkers is about greed, too. They're not mutually exclusive.

never claimed they are, still it's not a proof
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As to your second point, virtually every lawsuit that doesn't go to trial settles for less money than the plaintiff started asking for, just like many negotiated business transactions end up at a price point between the involved parties' opening bids. To suggest that a lawsuit settling for a compromise amount is evidence of whether or not the plaintiff's case was well-founded is utterly incorrect, at least in the Murican legal system.

well that's a good point but still the fact that one party settled is not a proof of guilt either especially in cases like sexual harassment

im not saying i know for a fact trump is for sure not racist and sexist, but there hasn't been enough proof for me to declare him as racist and sexist
post #1849 of 3373
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this, that's my biggest knock on him that he is not curious to already be very well versed in this. So what you said is imo 100% on point.

I don't know how much anyone should trust the guy, but Trump's ghostwriter from The Art of the Deal was pretty scathing about Trump's complete lack of intellectual curiosity. Like, Trump's is gleeful about the fact that he's never finished a book. Apparently he never spends more than a half hour focusing on any particular issue.

That might work if he could get good advisers, but Trump has also demonstrated that he likes to surround himself with yes-men. He came right out and said that he'd replace Generals until he found some that gave him what he wanted to hear.


The combination is really worrying for me. All the stuff about Trump being racist etc is just playing into identity politics narratives, but this is the core of who he is as a person and how he makes decisions. He's not a deep thinker, he thinks the world of himself, and doesn't have the humility to listen to other opinions. Throw in his brash and unapologetic personality, and that's a guy who really worries me when he can send in the SEALS (much less the nukes).
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yea that's understanble position and not really a scenario that can't materalize STILL I find his outline of policy(him claiming to be non-interventionist and not antagonizing Russia) to be significantly better than Hillary's Clinton policy and history of making decisions and that's really sad. What he said on torture is wrong though.
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well that's a good point but still the fact that one party settled is not a proof of guilt either especially in cases like sexual harassment

True. There might be reasons for people to speculate or make educated guesses in particular circumstances, but generally speaking the fact that a case settled isn't a good indicator of he merits of the case either way.
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The question I would have liked to hear her asked as she came out of the Chelsea's apartment would have been, "Hillary, how can Chelsea afford to own a $10mln apartment when she's never had a real job and her husband's hedge fund went belly up? confused.gif"
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The difference is that Trump has no background at all in foreign policy and has never demonstrated any knowledge or even interest in learning. Why should anyone give him the benefit of the doubt? Lack of foreign policy experience was one of the criticisms of Obama back in 2008, he won mostly on having not voted for Iraq. But he had still at least been in the Senate and exposed to the issues. Clinton was Secretary of State, it would be absurd to question her credentials on that front. Her policies, maybe, but not her credentials.


I'm more concerned about the few actual details on foreign policy Trump has specified. Torturing people, killing families, saying he "knows more than the generals."


And Lauer didn't do Clinton any favors. Spent 30 minutes talking about emails and then kept interrupting her during the questions that actually matters in that forum.

I don't doubt her experience or credentials, I doubt her ideology and I think that will always be a key part of any president's decisions. Similarly, I have no doubt that president Obama has a detailed understanding of the constitution, but that doesn't mean he agrees with all parts of it. Ideology is more important to me than those things. I think when surrounded by the right people, Trump would perform better than a far left progressive. Trump isn't an ideal conservative but I think it's safe to say he's not as liberal as Hillary. I fear what progressive politics will do to our society and the world much more than I fear Trump's lack of detail or experience.
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I don't doubt her experience or credentials, I doubt her ideology and I think that will always be a key part of any president's decisions. Similarly, I have no doubt that president Obama has a detailed understanding of the constitution, but that doesn't mean he agrees with all parts of it. Ideology is more important to me than those things. I think when surrounded by the right people, Trump would perform better than a far left progressive. Trump isn't an ideal conservative but I think it's safe to say he's not as liberal as Hillary. I fear what progressive politics will do to our society and the world much more than I fear Trump's lack of detail or experience.

Maybe this is more a semantics thing than substance, but I'm not even sure what it means to say that you think Obama doesn't agree with all parts of the Constitution. If you're saying that you think he's willing to violate those provisions he doesn't agree with, that's a rational basis for criticism. But most people who have actually read and understand the Constitution "disagree" with some parts of it, if by that you mean there are bits we'd write differently if we were starting from scratch. There's stuff in the Constitution I'd probably change if it were up to me, but at those points in my career when I've had to swear to uphold that puppy I was able to do so honestly, because there's a difference between agreeing that a law, policy or political structure decision is the wisest one and being willing to abide by it when by legitimate process it ends up looking somewhat different from what you'd personally choose.
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I don't doubt her experience or credentials, I doubt her ideology and I think that will always be a key part of any president's decisions. Similarly, I have no doubt that president Obama has a detailed understanding of the constitution, but that doesn't mean he agrees with all parts of it. Ideology is more important to me than those things. I think when surrounded by the right people, Trump would perform better than a far left progressive. Trump isn't an ideal conservative but I think it's safe to say he's not as liberal as Hillary. I fear what progressive politics will do to our society and the world much more than I fear Trump's lack of detail or experience.

I think it's ridiculous to call out Obama for not following the Constitution and then vote Trump. Why do you think he's going to be inclined to act less autocratic once he's in office? This is something Republicans have called Trump out for, it's not just some partisan thing. You can't act like you have some principled concern for limiting the power of the President and then elect a guy who's running on a cult of personality.


But we're pretty much back to the "literally anyone but a Democrat" argument, and Trump does indeed satisfy those requirements.
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I think it's ridiculous to call out Obama for not following the Constitution and then vote Trump. Why do you think he's going to be inclined to act less autocratic once he's in office? This is something Republicans have called Trump out for, it's not just some partisan thing. You can't act like you have some principled concern for limiting the power of the President and then elect a guy who's running on a cult of personality.


But we're pretty much back to the "literally anyone but a Democrat" argument, and Trump does indeed satisfy those requirements.

Are we sure? He is, at this moment,registed as a Republican.
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Are we sure? He is, at this moment,registed as a Republican.

He's certainly not running as a progressive, so I guess that satisfies suited and his ilk.
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Can we just all vote for Cthulu? I mean fuck with settling for the least evil.
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Can we just all vote for Cthulu? I mean fuck with settling for the least evil.

There are some really excellent posters if you google this. Here's one with a good tag line:
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