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post #1831 of 3333
What do you mean

Trump literally said Pence would run domestic and foreign affairs
post #1832 of 3333
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http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37336164

When the BBC reports I believe.

So here's my take on this: the Clinton campaign fucked up. The "over heated" reports, with clear physical symptoms of weakness being displayed, and then the diagnosis of pneumonia will not play well with undecideds that already do not quite trust her. Basically this is just the typical Clinton ploy of bullshit, bullshit, and bullshit until you can't bullshit and have to reveal some truth. It will lend credibility to the coordinated attacks on her due to health.
post #1833 of 3333
What bullshit, what fuck up

She caught pneumonia and felt overheated and then fainted. Bring out the pitchforks. How dare she get sick and then try not to appear sick during her presidential campaign. We want a president who can never get any kind of infection because then they're completely unqualified for office

This health attack was bullshit to begin with. I can't count how many times on right wing media I see the Hillary "seizure" and some random doctor talking about how they don't know the details but she definitely has brain cancer and they're hiding it so the democrats can ruin the country. They talk about how she had a concussion in 2012 and therefore still has brain damage. Jesus H Christ. It's like your brains disappear the moment you hear Clinton

We know Trump is actually a racist (he got friggin sued and had to settle when they found he wouldn't rent to black people) mysoginistic (how many times did he get sued for sexual harassment and had to settle to keep details out) corrupt (like using a non profit charity to donate money to a judge's organization so they would drop a lawsuit) a routine liar (the fact checking sites show how Trump regularly and obstinately spews complete bullshit more than any other candidate by a large margin) shitty businessman born into wealth, hasn't got a clue about foreign policy, insists on unattainable domestic policy, barely has any actual details about any of his proposed policies, routinely just insults his opponents and anybody he doesn't agree with and then call it a joke, routinely promises to donate to charity and rarely does. He literally told his VP candidate that he would be in charge of the country and he himself would be concerned with Making America Great Again (tm)

Like fuck me is blatant racism itself not enough to disqualify a candidate in people's minds. How is this even a choice

Clinton had shady dealings for her charitable non profit organization ok. She lies and half truths like a politician ok. There were nepotism incidents ok. She used a private email server instead of a governmental one and then argued that it was legal ok. She made a shitty decision by not portioning the State Department budget to increase security in dangerous regions and as a result four citizens died ok. She then tried to backtrack and cover it up ok. She has pneumonia ok. What did I miss?

She has far more policies and ideas then I've seen in recent presidential campaigns reaching out to both aisles. She has the support of her own party. And most importantly she's not a fucking living breathing Internet troll. How is this a fucking debate
Edited by indesertum - 9/12/16 at 5:11am
post #1834 of 3333
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As we all know facts and reason are only a small part of the equation. It is a fact the Clinton M.O. is to bullshit until they can't bullshit anymore. They helped dig this hole since 1992. So now her minor health failing will be completely magnified beyond any reasonable means and low information people are ready to gobble it up because of how the Clintons have operated for 30 years and because they were ripe to believe shit about her in the first place.
post #1835 of 3333
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Trump is the Repub candidate the MSM always tried to turn Repub candidates into. They finally got their own creation. Thing is we got him too. frown.gif
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We know Trump is actually a racist (he got friggin sued and had to settle when they found he wouldn't rent to black people) mysoginistic (how many times did he get sued for sexual harassment and had to settle to keep details out) corrupt (like using a non profit charity to donate money to a judge's organization so they would drop a lawsuit) a routine liar (the fact checking sites show how Trump regularly and obstinately spews complete bullshit more than any other candidate by a large margin) shitty businessman born into wealth, hasn't got a clue about foreign policy, insists on unattainable domestic policy, barely has any actual details about any of his proposed policies, routinely just insults his opponents and anybody he doesn't agree with and then call it a joke, routinely promises to donate to charity and rarely does. He literally told his VP candidate that he would be in charge of the country and he himself would be concerned with Making America Great Again (tm)
post #1836 of 3333
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

As we all know facts and reason are only a small part of the equation. It is a fact the Clinton M.O. is to bullshit until they can't bullshit anymore. They helped dig this hole since 1992. So now her minor health failing will be completely magnified beyond any reasonable means and low information people are ready to gobble it up because of how the Clintons have operated for 30 years and because they were ripe to believe shit about her in the first place.

It would be interesting to detangle the cause and effect with this Clinton tendency. I'm pretty sure they were doing it before they got to the White House, but the Gingrich led effort to just destroy both of them absolutely hardened and reinforced it. I'm sure it's hard to be transparent when any information you release is going to be pounced on and used to attack you. Probably is very tempting to just obfuscate everything and release as little as possible under as controlled circumstances as possible.


It doesn't really hold up in the Information Age though. Too many sources and things spread too easily.
post #1837 of 3333
Yeah. Bu
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

It doesn't really hold up in the Information Age though. Too many sources and things spread too easily.

Not that I put too much credence in the conspiracy theories about Clinton's health, but I found it really interesting that it was only the bystanders who were interested in her filming her stumbling. I've also seen people claim that NBC cut off its recording of the coughing fit. Any truth to that?
post #1838 of 3333
Trump has been surprisingly classy about this so far.


I bet he's written up like five hundred nasty tweets only to have some PR person talk him down. They have to be on high alert, he's got to be fighting his nature instinct to pounce on weakness in the least classy way possible.
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Not that I put too much credence in the conspiracy theories about Clinton's health, but I found it really interesting that it was only the bystanders who were interested in her filming her stumbling.

 

Neither Hillary nor Donald has allowed for a protective pool, which is the rotating group of reporters who travel with a candidate to provide minute-to-minute updates. Because she has not allowed for the pool, she left the memorial site without reporters around to film her.

 

Anne Gearan is a political reporter for the Washington Post and is the chair of the Clinton press pool. This is her take on the situation:

 

"Sunday's events at the Sept. 11 memorial show the importance of having a group of reporters on standby, and close at hand, to cover the potential next president of the United States. It also shows what happens when the Clinton campaign fails to treat those reporters as a true protective pool, which would travel in the same Secret Service protected-motorcade to every place the candidate goes. The pool was left behind when she abruptly left the memorial, and was not kept apprised of what was happening in real time."

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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

Clinton had shady dealings for her charitable non profit organization ok. She lies and half truths like a politician ok. There were nepotism incidents ok. She used a private email server instead of a governmental one and then argued that it was legal ok. She made a shitty decision by not portioning the State Department budget to increase security in dangerous regions and as a result four citizens died ok. She then tried to backtrack and cover it up ok. She has pneumonia ok. What did I miss?

 

lol a ringing endorsement

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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

What bullshit, what fuck up

She caught pneumonia and felt overheated and then fainted. Bring out the pitchforks. How dare she get sick and then try not to appear sick during her presidential campaign. We want a president who can never get any kind of infection because then they're completely unqualified for office

This health attack was bullshit to begin with. I can't count how many times on right wing media I see the Hillary "seizure" and some random doctor talking about how they don't know the details but she definitely has brain cancer and they're hiding it so the democrats can ruin the country. They talk about how she had a concussion in 2012 and therefore still has brain damage. Jesus H Christ. It's like your brains disappear the moment you hear Clinton

We know Trump is actually a racist (he got friggin sued and had to settle when they found he wouldn't rent to black people) mysoginistic (how many times did he get sued for sexual harassment and had to settle to keep details out) corrupt (like using a non profit charity to donate money to a judge's organization so they would drop a lawsuit) a routine liar (the fact checking sites show how Trump regularly and obstinately spews complete bullshit more than any other candidate by a large margin) shitty businessman born into wealth, hasn't got a clue about foreign policy, insists on unattainable domestic policy, barely has any actual details about any of his proposed policies, routinely just insults his opponents and anybody he doesn't agree with and then call it a joke, routinely promises to donate to charity and rarely does. He literally told his VP candidate that he would be in charge of the country and he himself would be concerned with Making America Great Again (tm)

Like fuck me is blatant racism itself not enough to disqualify a candidate in people's minds. How is this even a choice

Clinton had shady dealings for her charitable non profit organization ok. She lies and half truths like a politician ok. There were nepotism incidents ok. She used a private email server instead of a governmental one and then argued that it was legal ok. She made a shitty decision by not portioning the State Department budget to increase security in dangerous regions and as a result four citizens died ok. She then tried to backtrack and cover it up ok. She has pneumonia ok. What did I miss?

She has far more policies and ideas then I've seen in recent presidential campaigns reaching out to both aisles. She has the support of her own party. And most importantly she's not a fucking living breathing Internet troll. How is this a fucking debate

Throughout this entire election I've been calling out the myth of this being unique to Trump. The event hosted by Matt Lauer was Clinton's chance to prove me (and a lot of us wrong). She failed miserably. She was no more detailed than Trump on foreign policy, and that's been the case throughout the campaign. But anyway, even if what you said is true, these concerns were nowhere to be found when Barack Obama was running which leads me to believe they aren't real concerns at all, but just another attack on Trump cause he's Trump. I won't even address the racism thing because it's been beaten to death.
post #1842 of 3333
The difference is that Trump has no background at all in foreign policy and has never demonstrated any knowledge or even interest in learning. Why should anyone give him the benefit of the doubt? Lack of foreign policy experience was one of the criticisms of Obama back in 2008, he won mostly on having not voted for Iraq. But he had still at least been in the Senate and exposed to the issues. Clinton was Secretary of State, it would be absurd to question her credentials on that front. Her policies, maybe, but not her credentials.


I'm more concerned about the few actual details on foreign policy Trump has specified. Torturing people, killing families, saying he "knows more than the generals."


And Lauer didn't do Clinton any favors. Spent 30 minutes talking about emails and then kept interrupting her during the questions that actually matters in that forum.
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

We know Trump is actually a racist (he got friggin sued and had to settle when they found he wouldn't rent to black people)

likely he didn't personally oversee this, even if he did that's may not even be an actual proof of racism that could be simple greed as well
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

mysoginistic (how many times did he get sued for sexual harassment and had to settle to keep details out)

proves nothing, was never convicted if lawsuit was settled for smaller amount of money likely they didnt have good case to begin with
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

a routine liar (the fact checking sites show how Trump regularly and obstinately spews complete bullshit more than any other candidate by a large margin)

that's true

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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

shitty businessman

his father had like 250m, he has 4bln, none of his siblings is a billionaire, so he is actually pretty succesful in that department
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born into wealth

true
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

hasn't got a clue about foreign policy, insists on unattainable domestic policy, barely has any actual details about any of his proposed policies

he won't insist on deporting all illegals, he wrote about this bs in his book, he just wants to get the base excited with grand ideas like the wall since nobody would be excited if he talked about buildings this 2m barbed wire fence. wall that gets higher everytime you hate on him is quite amazing though.
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

routinely just insults his opponents and anybody he doesn't agree with and then call it a joke

well he doesn't he doubles down, that's why people like him- he's unapologetic

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routinely promises to donate to charity and rarely does.

he did donate,but only after he was called out that he did not

[name="indesertum" url="/t/471913/why-hillary-will-be-the-next-potus/1830#post_8571582"]He literally told his VP candidate that he would be in charge of the country and he himself would be concerned with Making America Great Again (tm)[/quote]

his son supposedly said told this to John Kasich, so that doesn't really count as literally
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

The difference is that Trump has no background at all in foreign policy and has never demonstrated any knowledge or even interest in learning. Why should anyone give him the benefit of the doubt? Lack of foreign policy experience was one of the criticisms of Obama back in 2008, he won mostly on having not voted for Iraq. But he had still at least been in the Senate and exposed to the issues. Clinton was Secretary of State, it would be absurd to question her credentials on that front. Her policies, maybe, but not her credentials.

that's actually valid criticism imo
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likely he didn't personally oversee this, even if he did that's may not even be an actual proof of racism that could be simple greed as well
I think you're missing the point. Wanting to own slaves rather than pay fieldworkers is about greed, too. They're not mutually exclusive.

As to your second point, virtually every lawsuit that doesn't go to trial settles for less money than the plaintiff started asking for, just like many negotiated business transactions end up at a price point between the involved parties' opening bids. To suggest that a lawsuit settling for a compromise amount is evidence of whether or not the plaintiff's case was well-founded is utterly incorrect, at least in the Murican legal system.
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