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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

That would make the House decide, and besides the entertainment value, I can imagine they will come up with a better option than what we can vote from the Rs and Ds.

You need to read the 12th amendment.
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Originally Posted by Van Veen View Post

Speaking of Gary Johnson, he gave an interview to Russian state media and apparently does not understand the difference between a territory and a sovereign nation.

That's a worrying statement. He's ceding to the Russian logic that they have an absolute right to control sovereign nations that are within their claimed sphere of influence.


I guess you can support the idea that we don't need to be involved in countries that aren't directed interests of ours, full stop. But he makes it sound like we're dropping bombs and stationing troops in Ukraine. We were barely willing to sell them lethal weaponry.
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

That's a worrying statement. He's ceding to the Russian logic that they have an absolute right to control sovereign nations that are within their claimed sphere of influence.


I guess you can support the idea that we don't need to be involved in countries that aren't directed interests of ours, full stop. But he makes it sound like we're dropping bombs and stationing troops in Ukraine. We were barely willing to sell them lethal weaponry.

Yep, you could. But it might be a tough sell even with voters who lean strongly anti-interventionist, anti-hawk. But hey, if you blur the distinctions and create the (fictional, but who's counting) suggestion that it's not really international aggression but rather some internal RedRusskie in-fighting that he have no business meddling in, that might work as a fig leaf.

But of course Johnson would never pander or dissemble to try to avoid alienating potential voters. Only major party candidates do that.
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post


That's a worrying statement. He's ceding to the Russian logic that they have an absolute right to control sovereign nations that are within their claimed sphere of influence.


I guess you can support the idea that we don't need to be involved in countries that aren't directed interests of ours, full stop. But he makes it sound like we're dropping bombs and stationing troops in Ukraine. We were barely willing to sell them lethal weaponry.


well it's not exactly patent russian logic. see T Roosevelt's usurpation of the panama canal zone. dat big stick.

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well it's not exactly patent russian logic. see T Roosevelt's usurpation of the panama canal zone. dat big stick.

That is because American state originated in Panama and we speak the same language not to mention have thousands miles of common border.
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

That's a worrying statement. He's ceding to the Russian logic that they have an absolute right to control sovereign nations that are within their claimed sphere of influence.


I guess you can support the idea that we don't need to be involved in countries that aren't directed interests of ours, full stop. But he makes it sound like we're dropping bombs and stationing troops in Ukraine. We were barely willing to sell them lethal weaponry.

And you are following the message that has been drummed into your brains since childhood that if US wants to do something stupid far far away it must do it because it is greatest nation on Earth and haz freedumbz.
Ukraine is not a sovereign state just like Belorussia is not. Read up on how these so called states were created. Sovereignty is earned naturally over centuries of conflicts and negotiations not claimed overnight by a bunch of commissars who want to rule and steal..
Edited by Medwed - 8/11/16 at 11:42am
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All true.
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

But of course Johnson would never pander or dissemble to try to avoid alienating potential voters. Only major party candidates do that.

It's sort of an odd stance, considering that the pat libertarian position of "the US shouldn't fuck around with other countries, let the cards fall where they fill" would have worked fine. Why cede Russia influence of Ukraine? Is there some bloc of Russian apologists that he's trying to capture?
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Originally Posted by Medwed View Post

Ukraine is not a sovereign state just like Belorussia is not. Read up on how these so called states were created. Sovereignty is earned naturally over centuries of conflicts and negotiations not claimed overnight by a bunch of commissars who want to rule and steal..

You should tell your boy Putin about that.

https://www.rt.com/news/316687-putin-interview-sovereignty-ukraine/
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Moscow “would like other countries to respect the sovereignty of other states, including Ukraine. Respecting the sovereignty means preventing coups, unconstitutional actions and illegitimate overthrowing of the legitimate government.”

I guess Ukraine is only sovereign when they do what Moscow wants.
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If you're referring to Crimea, it's a rather recent development in history. After the vassal state of the Ottoman empire declared itself sovereign, it belonged to Russia for the last 300 years or so.
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Why are we talking about Russia like it's a real country? It's just a bunch of former KGB thugs who stole a few nukes while sneaking out of the USSR.
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post


https://www.rt.com/news/316687-putin-interview-sovereignty-ukraine/
I guess Ukraine is only sovereign when they do what Moscow wants.

You are witnessing Ukraine's sovereignty in the making, you might not be around to see how it ends , but at least now you know what you are looking at.
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It's interesting to see what sphere of influence wants a border and/or sovereignty to stay static once established and what sphere of influence wants to use historical positions...and at what point in history they feel is the "right" point.
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

That's a worrying statement. He's ceding to the Russian logic that they have an absolute right to control sovereign nations that are within their claimed sphere of influence.

Yes very worrying. Almost as much worrying as USA who's sphere of influence is like 50% of the globe. But to neocons and closet liberals credit they only fuck around with brown people, I mean besides that one time that took away Kosovo from Serbia. So it's mostly fine.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

It's interesting to see what sphere of influence wants a border and/or sovereignty to stay static once established and what sphere of influence wants to use historical positions...and at what point in history they feel is the "right" point.

What do you call somebody whose ideology is made of play-doh? A pragmatist!
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Originally Posted by Van Veen View Post


You need to read the 12th amendment.

 

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The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice.


You're right, the House couldn't vote for Romney.

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