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Sponsoring (i.e., writing) a bill that ends up getting passed into law is "basically just grandstanding"?
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Do Millennials even work?

Good point (although I actually only mentioned "you" working). They do expect to get paid, though. And to get free yogurt.
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Sponsoring (i.e., writing) a bill that ends up getting passed into law is "basically just grandstanding"?

Ask Medwed, he says that's clear.

And apparently you don't understand what "i.e". means. Or maybe you don't understand how Congress works. Sponsorship involves being identified as the person who "officially" brings the bill to the floor. Who is identified as a bill's sponsor is frequently about optics. Very few, in any, Senators actually write the bills themselves.
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Good point (although I actually only mentioned "you" working). They do expect to get paid, though. And to get free yogurt Chobani.


Let's be precise here.  You know they're going to complain about Yoplait.

Also, I'm technically a millennial.  Any chance I can be an honorary Xer?

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Let's be precise here.  You know they're going to complain about Yoplait.


Also, I'm technically a millennial.  Any chance I can be an honorary Xer?

You bet. You can send your dues to me. And somewhat seriously, there's a reason I qualified my original reference to millennials. As with all arbitrarily-labeled generational groups, there are plenty of millennials who don't fit the stereotype at all. The ones who do, though, are annoying AF.
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Ask Medwed, he says that's clear.

And apparently you don't understand what "i.e". means. Or maybe you don't understand how Congress works. Sponsorship involves being identified as the person who "officially" brings the bill to the floor. Who is identified as a bill's sponsor is frequently about optics. Very few, in any, Senators actually write the bills themselves.

You should stick to nitpicking grammar. Of course legislators, like judges and lawyers and celebrities and all manner of other people, often don't write every word (or sometimes any word) of things that are published in their names. But they still get colloquially credited for "writing" it because they have ultimate control over it.

And I'm sure that "optics" (does this mean the same thing as grandstanding, Mr. Dictionary?) sometimes plays a role in who sponsors which bill. But are you seriously contending that the congressmen all get together and divvy up the bills to the prettiest or the most sympathetic or the most influential or most in need of reelection, or whatever, instead of the sponsor actually being the person who proposed the bill, or, at the very least, took the most initiative in bringing it forward?
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You should stick to nitpicking grammar. Of course legislators, like judges and lawyers and celebrities and all manner of other people, often don't write every word (or sometimes any word) of things that are published in their names. But they still get colloquially credited for "writing" it because they have ultimate control over it.

And I'm sure that "optics" (does this mean the same thing as grandstanding, Mr. Dictionary?) sometimes plays a role in who sponsors which bill. But are you seriously contending that the congressmen all get together and divvy up the bills to the prettiest or the most sympathetic or the most influential or most in need of reelection, or whatever, instead of the sponsor actually being the person who proposed the bill, or, at the very least, took the most initiative in bringing it forward?

Ooh, "Mr. Dictionary". Has that been your butthurt go-to since the grade school playground?

I'll let you and Medwed read some more Hannity posts and agree amongst yourselves what sponsoring a bill means. Then you can come back to the grown-up table.
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Ooh, "Mr. Dictionary". Has that been your butthurt go-to since the grade school playground?

I'll let you and Medwed read some more Hannity posts and agree amongst yourselves what sponsoring a bill means. Then you can come back to the grown-up table.

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Hold on there LD . As technically a pre-boomer, and thus in possession of the superior historical perspective , I claim all petitions for and fees incurred by intergenerational movement. I accept Paypal.Fee list upon request

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Hold on there LD . As technically a pre-boomer, and thus in possession of the superior historical perspective , I claim all petitions for and fees incurred by intergenerational movement. I accept Paypal.Fee list upon request

I don't use that fancy newfangled paypal stuff. I will send you a bank draft by pigeon.
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Hold on there LD . As technically a pre-boomer, and thus in possession of the superior historical perspective , I claim all petitions for and fees incurred by intergenerational movement. I accept Paypal.Fee list upon request


You can claim the fees when you come help me tile my house. :cheers:

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Hold on there LD . As technically a pre-boomer, and thus in possession of the superior historical perspective , I claim all petitions for and fees incurred by intergenerational movement. I accept Paypal.Fee list upon request

I don't use that fancy newfangled paypal stuff. I will send you a bank draft by pigeon.


Wait till this Big Sur fire burns out ,wouldn't want to send a bird bearing bonds through that.

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So Tim Kaine may not be that popular in New Jersey, but he's widely admired in Indiana for the way he's brought the Hoosiers back to prominence.
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she is trying to appeal to the crowd she is not going to get in the first place, like with Tim Kaine pick its a mistake, she could throw a bone to progressives and seal the deal already
No. Most serious people who are substantively progressive and engaged, even if they are far more progressive than her, will vote for her because the alternative is Trump. The people who say they'll boycott her are largely entitled, butthurt-addicted millennials and millennial wannabes. There's no way she can cater to them enough to satisfy them - if you'd ever worked in an American company with spoiled millennial employees you'd understand the dynamic very well. There are far more votes to be picked up by picking up people who are weakly for Trump based on nothing but the novelty factor, and in getting out the vote among the base.

Well im a millenial myself('84 not sure that counts), not saying your wrong but it doesn't disprove my point. Say what you want about millenial progressives, they are important demo for liberals. Emails scandals and picking Kaine over for example Warren are huge imo. There are estimates that 10%-20% will defect to Trump, sure you can say that's not that much but Jill Stein is rising in polls(Stein will take clinton voters not Trump's) and add to that BernieOrBust and people who can't be arsed to voted for Clinton and it starts to looks dangerous. Trump secured conservative base by selecting fossil like Mike Pence and what did Hillary do to sway Bernie voters? If elections were today Trump would have won. This will be close elections because Hillary is doing everything to lose imo.
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Well im a millenial myself('84 not sure that counts), not saying your wrong but it doesn't disprove my point. Say what you want about millenial progressives, they are important demo for liberals. Emails scandals and picking Kaine over for example Warren are huge imo. There are estimates that 10%-20% will defect to Trump, sure you can say that's not that much but Jill Stein is rising in polls(Stein will take clinton voters not Trump's) and add to that BernieOrBust and people who can't be arsed to voted for Clinton and it starts to looks dangerous. Trump secured conservative base by selecting fossil like Mike Pence and what did Hillary do to sway Bernie voters? If elections were today Trump would have won. This will be close elections because Hillary is doing everything to lose imo.

I think you're getting distorted view over there through the media's commercial interest in making every race look as close as possible. I'm not saying there's no possibility that Trump could win, but most or all serious analyses project Clinton winning by a significant number of electoral votes.

I don't know what polls you are referencing, but no meaningful percentage of (Scottish) progressives will defect to Trump. That makes no sense. Stay home, maybe. Vote Green or Libertarian, maybe. But anyone who claims they were displaying a Bernie bumper sticker because he represented their progressive values who now plasters a Trump sticker over it was lying about their motivation. They may be into the cult of personality thing, they may find some weird psychological payoff in extremism and gusty exhortations regardless of content, or they be staking out whatever affiliation will get them the most attention at a party or on FB. But they pretty clearly don't hold, or at least place much importance on, progressive political ideals and goals. Or I guess they could be single-issue anti-TPP folks. Like Trump, don't like him, he's clearly not a progressive or a champion of progressivism.
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