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post #121 of 3334
It's not about "money in politics," it's about the woman who's probably going to be president using her position to make herself rich.
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So is this the right awakening to the problems with money in politics? That's cute. 

It's also cute that you want to conflate what the Clintons are doing with the usual "money in politics" thing. What they are doing is new and particularly insidious.
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It's also cute that you want to conflate what the Clintons are doing with the usual "money in politics" thing. What they are doing is new and particularly insidious.


Not really. 

post #124 of 3334
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Not really. 

So it's neither new nor insidious that sovereign nations are just giving our high level politicians direct bribes..er, donations now? Okay, gotcha.
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So it's neither new nor insidious that sovereign nations are just giving our high level politicians direct bribes..er, donations now? Okay, gotcha.


Sovereign nations, interests lobbies, what's the difference? What about Azerbaijan bestowing gifts aplenty on a bi-partisan gaggle of representatives?

post #126 of 3334
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Sovereign nations, interests lobbies, what's the difference? What about Azerbaijan bestowing gifts aplenty on a bi-partisan gaggle of representatives?

The differences, to name just two, would be scale and transparency.

Sovereign nation vs. interest lobby...yup, what's the difference? Clearly no difference between the government of Saudi Arabia and any interest lobby.

I must be out there, some loon thinking this, right?

I wonder what Bill Clinton himself might say about the thought this was buying influence from the second Clinton Whitehouse?
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Mr. Clinton himself echoed those concerns this fall when he pledged to make public future donors if Mrs. Clinton was elected president. While disclosure is not legally required, failure to do so, Mr. Clinton said, would raise “all these questions about whether people would try to win favor with her by giving money to me.”
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Foreign governments have been bribing American officials forever. I still do not see what you're so upset about. 

 

Tell me, did Saudi get anything that we weren't already selling to them? We sold them that entire goddamn military and now all of sudden people are upset? 

 

Or are you just now aware of what a cancer KSA is on the world after watching what they are doing in Yemen? 

post #128 of 3334
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Foreign governments have been bribing American officials forever. I still do not see what you're so upset about. 

Tell me, did Saudi get anything that we weren't already selling to them? We sold them that entire goddamn military and now all of sudden people are upset? 

They might have gotten a better price, maybe more than they should have, maybe things they would not have otherwise. Don't forget Boeing suddenly made a million dollar bribe...er, donation, over this deal too.

Here's a better question: why are you not upset? It's funny as you accuse people like 'Turk, and even me, of being partisan and holding a double standard but yours is one of the most well developed selective blindness I've seen in awhile. I've yet to see you do anything but bash everyone right of center, and even when I've nailed you with counter examples, you shrug them off.

Bill and Hill are next level dirty. She's going to be the next POTUS but denying they are paragons of corruption is just making you look silly.
post #129 of 3334
I'll be honest, I have no problem with any interest group spending money on an election whether it is to fund their own ads or to fund a candidate's ads. Giving money directly to a candidate or elected official is completely different.

Then again, I believe all donations to a political campaign should be transparent (although independent ads shouldn't need to be disclosed).
post #130 of 3334
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I'll be honest, I have no problem with any interest group spending money on an election whether it is to fund their own ads or to fund a candidate's ads. Giving money directly to a candidate or elected official is completely different.

Then again, I believe all donations to a political campaign should be transparent (although independent ads shouldn't need to be disclosed).

There is absolutely no difference. /ethan
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They might have gotten a better price, maybe more than they should have, maybe things they would not have otherwise. Don't forget Boeing suddenly made a million dollar bribe...er, donation, over this deal too.

Here's a better question: why are you not upset? It's funny as you accuse people like 'Turk, and even me, of being partisan and holding a double standard but yours is one of the most well developed selective blindness I've seen in awhile. I've yet to see you do anything but bash everyone right of center, and even when I've nailed you with counter examples, you shrug them off.

Bill and Hill are next level dirty. She's going to be the next POTUS but denying they are paragons of corruption is just making you look silly.


I'm not upset I just think it's funny that the party that allowed itself to be hijacked by war profiteering hawks is now scared of the arms deals Hilary approved. Which, by the way, have done nothing to tip the scales against Israel. I think Israel could probably destroy the Saudi government in a couple of days if they really had to. Either way its a moot point because a Saudi declaration of war against Israel is one against the US and an Israeli declaration of war on Saudi is one against the US as well.

 

So long as it's not a nuke... jerkingoff.gif

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I'm not upset I just think it's funny that the party that allowed itself to be hijacked by war profiteering hawks is now scared of the arms deals Hilary approved. Which, by the way, have done nothing to tip the scales against Israel. I think Israel could probably destroy the Saudi government in a couple of days if they really had to. 

Yes, I noted you're not upset and wondered why. You refuse to see any distinction is what's happening and I think that's very funny.
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Yes, I noted you're not upset and wondered why. You refuse to see any distinction is what's happening and I think that's very funny.


Well that is because I believe the Clintons to be better people than Rumsfeld, Rove, and Darth Cheney. 

post #134 of 3334
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Well that is because I believe the Clintons to be better people than Rumsfeld, Rove, and Darth Cheney. 

Thanks for the laugh. smile.gif
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Thanks for the laugh. smile.gif


Wait, so is the blood of 6k+ Americans on Bill or Hilary's hands? No... that would be Cheney & co. 

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