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Why does anyone care what John Boehner thinks?  Is this one of those times where a Republican is forced to quit or gets primaried, and the Democrats start talking about how there are no more "reasonable" Republicans left and point to said individual?

dont be mean. Boehner will cry again. 

post #947 of 1000
Cruz was known for coordinating with house members to frustrate Boehner's attempts to make concessions to Obama, which is unusual for a senator. Of course Boehner doesn't like him.
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

Why does anyone care what John Boehner thinks?  Is this one of those times where a Republican is forced to quit or gets primaried, and the Democrats start talking about how there are no more "reasonable" Republicans left and point to said individual?

I think it's mostly schadenfreude. Watching Republicans bash each other is fun.


The Boehner case is somewhat illustrative though. I don't particularly care about Boehner's opinion of Cruz personally, but seeing someone as solidly conservative as Boehner forced out tells you something about the agenda of the Tea Party/Cruz faction.
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Cruz was known for coordinating with house members to frustrate Boehner's attempts to make concessions to Obama, which is unusual for a senator. Of course Boehner doesn't like him.

Yup. The Senate leadership was vocal about disliking Cruz, and Cruz pretty much cost Boehner his job by convincing the House Tea Party faction to rebel against Boehner on the last debt ceiling/government shutdown. No shit Boehner isn't going to like him.

The interesting thing to me was Cruz's statement that he's never had a personal conversation with Boehner.
post #950 of 1000
The thing that strikes me about it is that the usual narrative is that Boehner was the reasonable, level-headed one (or, more accurately the media's real narrative, that he was a sort of lawful evil) holding back the tea party nutjobs.

Boehner's acting out makes you wonder what extent ideology really played in him being forced out.
post #951 of 1000
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post


I think it's mostly schadenfreude. Watching Republicans bash each other is fun.


The Boehner case is somewhat illustrative though. I don't particularly care about Boehner's opinion of Cruz personally, but seeing someone as solidly conservative as Boehner forced out tells you something about the agenda of the Tea Party/Cruz faction.

 

I don't know.  I guess it depends on how you define conservative.  If you define conservative as "favors small government" he was pretty middle of the road: he voted for TARP, he flip-flopped on sequester, and he was talking about raising the debt ceiling again.  That being said, yes, I think by most conventional definitions of "conservative" he is one; however, the story line doesn't have to match the facts, and the story line, on both sides of the political press, became about how Boehner was willing to compromise to pass legislation.  Now, when your side has a majority in both houses of the legislature, your base isn't going to like the story line of compromise when they feel the other side is also getting more extreme in their direction.
 

I never really liked Boehner because my impression was (like almost all politicians) that he was a slimy bastard that would say anything to get elected, but I never really felt  like he had any sort of principals or ideology.  Again, most politicians don't, and most of politics is about team us vs team them.

post #952 of 1000
I think anybody who reaches party leadership is going to be a slimy bastard. You don't get to lead a political party by sticking to strict principles.


It still boggles my mind how "not defaulting on the nation's debt" somehow became a compromise position. As odious as I found shutting down the government, it's a vastly more acceptable negotiating lever than defaulting on the debt. That's not a concession to the liberals, it's a concession to sanity.
post #953 of 1000
That'd be the narrative, all right.

In reality, there's no difference between the "tea party" position (lower spending or we'll refuse to vote for it) and the Democrat/GOP establishment position (higher spending or we'll refuse to vote for it).
post #954 of 1000
Has anyone taken him to task yet that this is a clear Xtian-centered microagression?
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Has anyone taken him to task yet that this is a clear Xtian-centered microagression?

Your constant use of that word is giving me PTSD.

post #956 of 1000
Is Pio's microaggression triggering you?
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Does merry xmas bother you too?

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post #959 of 1000
What a fitting encapsulation of Cruz's campaign right now.


Between that and Fiorina falling off the stage, you can't ask for more.
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