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post #166 of 1000
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Originally Posted by ethanm View Post

This terms means absolutely nothing in this context and you are an asshat for using it. 

Its a superb term. And very effective.

Saul Alinsky did hit the mark from time to time.
post #167 of 1000
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Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post

Yeah, I kinda am. I know his social conservative leanings are troubling to your independent libertarian sensibilities, and I know he probably isn't electible, but we have an anti-American racist communist in office now, so a wishy washy RINO won't be enough to repair the damage. And the thought of listening to Jeb talking about the benefits of opening the borders in Espanol and becoming China's trade whore is not heartening. I know you are not religious, but I don't believe we should have an atheist leader running the show. An atheist who makes it to the presidency is likely to have narcisstic tendencies with a god-complex, promising to heal the planet and all that.

How can a conservative who believes in free markets be opposed to immigration? What is immigration but a labor or human capital market? Conservatives always talk about how we need to allow for the free flow of capital across borders. Why not people?
post #168 of 1000
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Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post

Yeah, I kinda am. I know his social conservative leanings are troubling to your independent libertarian sensibilities, and I know he probably isn't electible, but we have an anti-American racist communist in office now, so a wishy washy RINO won't be enough to repair the damage. And the thought of listening to Jeb talking about the benefits of opening the borders in Espanol and becoming China's trade whore is not heartening. I know you are not religious, but I don't believe we should have an atheist leader running the show. An atheist who makes it to the presidency is likely to have narcisstic tendencies with a god-complex, promising to heal the planet and all that.


I mean if you're going to play that game then it's better an atheist than a Baptist who believes it is his duty to bring about Armageddon.

And Gary Johnson is at least ostensibly a Lutheran.
post #169 of 1000
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

How can a conservative who believes in free markets be opposed to immigration? What is immigration but a labor or human capital market? Conservatives always talk about how we need to allow for the free flow of capital across borders. Why not people?

Conservatives who worship the dollar are not really paleoconservatives. They are selfish bastards who want the money to keep flowing at the expense of humanity. While I may sound cynical at times (I'm "mirroring"), I guess I really do care about future generations and have enough of an understanding of history to know that we are committing cultural suicide. Immigrants should bend to our norms, values, and language, not the other way around. If true capitalism dictates our actions, then let's relaunch the ships to India and China and begin pillaging.
post #170 of 1000
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post

I mean if you're going to play that game then it's better an atheist than a Baptist who believes it is his duty to bring about Armageddon.

And Gary Johnson is at least ostensibly a Lutheran.


H, I'm posting after reading Op-Eds in the NYT, so you'll have to give me a little slack. Those morans infuriate me.
post #171 of 1000
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Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post


Immigrants should bend to our norms, values, 

 

Language I will give you but this country is very divided on a host of norms and values. 

post #172 of 1000
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

How can a conservative who believes in free markets be opposed to immigration? What is immigration but a labor or human capital market? Conservatives always talk about how we need to allow for the free flow of capital across borders. Why not people?

As an immigrant myself let me point out this argument is bogus. Capital is fungible whereas people are not. It is quite possible to believe in a robust immigration system but not have open borders. The robust immigration system will control for the fact people are not fungible and aim to make immigration aid the domestic society vs. the situation we currently find ourselves in where unskilled, uneducated labour flows freely across the border but we put up barriers for highly educated, highly skilled people to move here.
post #173 of 1000
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

How can a conservative who believes in free markets be opposed to immigration? What is immigration but a labor or human capital market? Conservatives always talk about how we need to allow for the free flow of capital across borders. Why not people?

The vast majority of mainstream conservatives are not pro free market, they're pro-business. Using government authority to stifle competition, drive up prices, etc, is a feature, not a bug.


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Originally Posted by Piobaire 
As an immigrant myself let me point out this argument is bogus. Capital is fungible whereas people are not. It is quite possible to believe in a robust immigration system but not have open borders. The robust immigration system will control for the fact people are not fungible and aim to make immigration aid the domestic society vs. the situation we currently find ourselves in where unskilled, uneducated labour flows freely across the border but we put up barriers for highly educated, highly skilled people to move here.

I think it's reasonable for nations to admit that the interests of their current citizens are important. Your citizens are not fungible with the world population, more efficient market or no.


Also you pretty much can't have a social welfare network and open immigration. That's probably a good thing in the libertopian model, but it breaks all kinds of systems in a realistic model. It's hard to even run a school system with open immigration.
post #174 of 1000
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

As an immigrant myself let me point out this argument is bogus. Capital is fungible whereas people are not. It is quite possible to believe in a robust immigration system but not have open borders. The robust immigration system will control for the fact people are not fungible and aim to make immigration aid the domestic society vs. the situation we currently find ourselves in where unskilled, uneducated labour flows freely across the border but we put up barriers for highly educated, highly skilled people to move here.

I agree our immigration system is broken. Anyone who comes here for school and wants to stay after graduating should be more than welcome to: we should not be turning away people we just educated. I'm also unsure how having more unskilled or low skill labor is a bad thing, and quite often immigrants seem to be the only ones willing to do a wide variety of jobs.

As a practical matter, I don't think we can stop illegal immigration very effectively and it has only been used as an excuse to expand the police state.

Edit: Let me clarify that I'm not for a 100% free border that anyone can cross at any time without any scrutiny. However, I am for vastly expanding legal immigration.
post #175 of 1000
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

I agree our immigration system is broken. Anyone who comes here for school and wants to stay after graduating should be more than welcome to: we should not be turning away people we just educated. I'm also unsure how having more unskilled or low skill labor is a bad thing, and quite often immigrants seem to be the only ones willing to do a wide variety of jobs.

As a practical matter, I don't think we can stop illegal immigration very effectively and it has only been used as an excuse to expand the police state.

Here's the thing: if we hugely curtailed illegal immigration there would be no logical reason to expand the police state off the border itself. The expansion has happened because enforcement at the border sucks and they are attempting to catch folks in the main body of the country. Assign special judges to the border, weekly court sessions for deportations of first attempts, summary execution for seconds and problem solved.
post #176 of 1000
In Birdmanutopia there are no borders and no welfare.
post #177 of 1000
Thread Starter 

The way to fix illegal immigration from Mexico is to fix Mexico  :teach:

 

we should annex Mexico.

post #178 of 1000
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Originally Posted by ethanm View Post

The way to fix illegal immigration from Mexico is to fix Mexico  teacha.gif

we should annex Mexico.

So let Texas annex it?

EDIT - Lol, I didn't see your hidden text until I quoted your post. Well played sir, well played.
post #179 of 1000
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Originally Posted by ethanm View Post

The way to fix illegal immigration from Mexico is to fix Mexico  teacha.gif

we should annex Mexico.

Yeah, because we have such a great record fixing crime ridden, impoverished areas in the US and nation building in general. teacha.gif
post #180 of 1000
Thread Starter 

Hey, Ted Cruz, how about you go fuck yourself? 

 

"During a campaign stop in Iowa on Wednesday, Texas Senator and 2016 GOP Presidential hopeful Ted Cruz made a suggestion that some military veterans may find controversial, if not outright offensive: he believes that the office of Veterans Affairs and the Pentagon should sell cookies to raise funds, a concept he admittedly borrowed from the Girl Scouts of America. - See more at: http://nationalreport.net/ted-cruz-vets-sell-cookies-funding-like-girl-scouts/#sthash.nRMJujWo.LhFLaVmn.dpuf"

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