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post #106 of 134
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Originally Posted by Edward Appleby View Post
Also, as Violinist points out, I should've said blues rather than jazz regarding misogyny. As far as Wagner goes, biographers do debate the exact nature of his personal beliefs, but it's clear that a lot of his work is concerned with the creation/synthesis of a fairly supremacist mythology for the German people.
Thanks for clarifying. Though I wouldn't label traditional blues (say, the 20's - 50's) as being misogynistic as much as playfully (though unrepentanty) chauvanistic. EDIT: hadn't read the lyrics you posted before, since I assumed you were quoting previous posters -- they're not typical of blues I've heard, but I'm no expert on the subject.
post #107 of 134
nice lyrics edward. here are some more wholesome innocent lyrics from our friend Johnny Cash:
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Originally Posted by Johnny Cash -- Folsom Prison Blues
When I was just a baby, my mama told me, "Son, Always be a good boy; don't ever play with guns." But I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die. When I hear that whistle blowin' I hang my head and cry.
shooting a man just to watch him die is pretty gangsta.
post #108 of 134
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Originally Posted by mizanation View Post
nice lyrics edward.

If Fiddy ran into John Lee Hooker in a dark alley he'd probably shit himself.
post #109 of 134
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Originally Posted by mizanation View Post
nice lyrics edward. here are some more wholesome innocent lyrics from our friend Johnny Cash: shooting a man just to watch him die is pretty gangsta.
Well, context counts, no? Cash's narrator acknowledges deviating from what he was taught as a child, and finds himself incarcerated and rueful. It's not exactly "my moms don' know shizat -- I'm the baddest muddafugga up in here, yo"
post #110 of 134
See "Murder Ballads". Some modern examples. Tom Dooley Pretty Polly Hey Joe Mack The Knife Stagger Lee Quite a few murder ballads date from well before the 1900's, as popular folk songs about killing unfaithful women, cheating men, gamblers, or strangers. Often they are sympathetic to the killer.\\ I leave you with this one final nugget. Name the band!
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Well I'd rather see you dead, little girl Than to be with another man You better keep your head, little girl Or I won't know where I am You better run for your life if you can, little girl Hide your head in the sand little girl Catch you with another man That's the end'a little girl Well you know that I'm a wicked guy And I was born with a jealous mind And I can't spend my whole life Trying just to make you toe the line You better run for your life if you can, little girl Hide your head in the sand little girl Catch you with another man That's the end'a little girl Let this be a sermon I mean everything I've said Baby, I'm determined And I'd rather see you dead
Oh yeah... The Beatles were HARDCORE!
post #111 of 134
nice ones, slim! don't forget the plethora of marijuana tribute songs from the 1920's on.
post #112 of 134
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Originally Posted by Quirk View Post
Well, context counts, no? Cash's narrator acknowledges deviating from what he was taught as a child, and finds himself incarcerated and rueful. It's not exactly "my moms don' know shizat -- I'm the baddest muddafugga up in here, yo"

oki doki.............
post #113 of 134
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Originally Posted by Quirk View Post

EDIT: hadn't read the lyrics you posted before, since I assumed you were quoting previous posters -- they're not typical of blues I've heard, but I'm no expert on the subject.

I'm not certainly not an expert either, so I don't know whether are not they're characteristic. Both songs are quite early in the history of the blues, though.
post #114 of 134
man, most early blues is about fucking, satan, or murder. most people can't tell because they hide the meaning behind metaphor and slang. i love people who claim that blues and jazz are wholesome music as opposed to rap. jazz is a form of the word, "jizz," as in "ejaculate." "jazz" or "jaz" meant, "the shit" back in the day. so, "jazz music" was the hot music of the time. early jazz is full of sex and drugs. and the old blues and jazz performers were just as gangsta as any of the hip hop cats today. if you don't believe me, read miles davis's autobiography, or better yet, have a drink with one of the surviving jazz greats, if you are lucky enough. you will be suprised how hard these cats are. every generation has nay-sayers who lambast the music of the youth, who have nothing more to do than to criticize and to belittle true creativity.
post #115 of 134
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Originally Posted by Edward Appleby View Post
If Fiddy ran into John Lee Hooker in a dark alley he'd probably shit himself.

i think most people would shit themselves if they ever met the "boogie man" in a dark alley. i wouldn't want to run into leadbelly either.
post #116 of 134
Listening to Raekwon in this thread.
post #117 of 134
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Originally Posted by Edward Appleby View Post
If Fiddy ran into John Lee Hooker in a dark alley he'd probably shit himself.

Nah. Whatever else you wanna say about the man, 50 is hardcore. Cat got shot 9 times from like a foot away, then drove himself to the hospital. You have to respect somebody that tough.
post #118 of 134
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Originally Posted by Augusto86 View Post
Nah. Whatever else you wanna say about the man, 50 is hardcore. Cat got shot 9 times from like a foot away, then drove himself to the hospital. You have to respect somebody that tough.

O, I see you've learned something since our chat in another thread.

Good.
post #119 of 134
Not even lolcats can save this thread. You guys are all diseased.
post #120 of 134
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Not even lolcats can save this thread. You guys are all diseased.

Tell me something I don't know.
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