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post #16 of 60
Most of my jackets and suits are MTM Corneliani. The Grant models I have have minimal shoulder padding. The slim fit suits me more than Canali and others. They are comfortable enough - especially the cashmere jackets - for me not to need anything more elaborate.
post #17 of 60
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Originally Posted by NOLA1 View Post
Is it just the one Corneliani that I own (and have yet to have tailored) or are all of their shoulders extremely boxy and padded?

I'm guessing yours has a white tag with cursive inside? The older stuff is much boxier than the current stuff.
post #18 of 60
in my very limited experience while working at nordstrom (in men's suits departmment nevertheless), canali seems to be far less elegant in terms of shape and waist suppression, while corneliani really caters to this sort of look. on a related note, doesn't corneliani produce the black label suits for RL?
post #19 of 60
Unfortunately for me, I prefer Canali. I say unfortunately since the Saks Off Fifth and Neiman Marcus Last Call here almost always have Corneliani suits for under $600, but never seem to get any Canali. The Corneliani suits I have tried on are massive, and I need to go a full size down (from 41R to 40R) to have any hope of fitting. I just prefer the body shape of the Canali, but maybe I am always trying on the same style of Corneliani and that is the problem.
post #20 of 60
Question...I have an opportunity to have a Canali suit ordered for me by a local mens store (one recommended to me here on SF). They sell Canali, have lots in store, just don't have what I want in stock.

The owner of the store said he would sell me a navy two-button for $500 including tailoring. (One of his guys is actually my tailor; that's why I started using them even though I can't afford much in their store.) Based on the prices in his store and what I've seen/read here, this seems like a pretty good deal. I'm still bordering on poor ex-college student so $500 is a lot of money to me. Neither my location (Florida) nor my employment (engineering) lend themselves to suits. I am going to look for other jobs and will be attending a few weddings soon, which is why I'm in the market.

On a scale of 1-10 - with 1 being "can find that deal anywhere" and 10 being "jump at this chance - NOW", where would you guys place it?

FYI he said if he orders a suit and I don't like it, I'm not on the hook to buy it...so no risk there.

David
post #21 of 60
You can't get it on eBay that cheap; there must be a catch. Are the Canali suits hanging on the rack with $500 price tags? Are you sure he specified the suit he orders will be Canali?
post #22 of 60
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On a scale of 1-10 - with 1 being "can find that deal anywhere" and 10 being "jump at this chance - NOW", where would you guys place it?
For a solid, it's a very good deal. For a pinstripe or pattern, not so much. Bluefly recently had a solid navy Canali available in some sizes for $600 or so, but that's the best price I've seen on a solid Canali in a good while. Stripes and patterns, though, are much more common on discount. It might be easier for me to find solids if I lived near a major discounter such as Filene's Basement/Century 21, but I don't, and I imagine it would still take a lot of looking. I also wonder why he's selling them so cheap. You might find a sideline business reselling solids at a slight markup to forumites.
post #23 of 60
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You can't get it on eBay that cheap; there must be a catch. Are the Canali suits hanging on the rack with $500 price tags? Are you sure he specified the suit he orders will be Canali?
The suits he sells are all more $$$. He sells Canali, Z Zegna, Hickey Freeman, and Hart Schaffner Marx. A lot of our (brief) discussion was related to the cost of importing suits from Italy, the dollar-to-Euro exchange rate, etc. Canali was the only brand he mentioned, and as far as I understand, HF and HSM aren't Italian-made (he's Italian, hence his preference!) and Z Zegna is an even higher price bracket.

I'm going to go back and talk with him further, hopefully getting all relevent details down to all the options he has when he orders the suit. $500 for anything means that I want to know exactly what I'm buying. But yeah, I think it's a pretty safe assumption that he was indeed talking about a Canali suit.

He said that he'd be taking a loss on the suit, but thought that for a young guy in decent shape who works at (one of) the largest employer(s) in the county, it'd be an investment in advertising for him. Part of my "too good to be true" alarm is ringing, which is why I asked the question, but this store has the best reputation locally (as I mentioned, it was specifically recommended to me on SF). They certainly carry the nicest suits within an hour's drive.
post #24 of 60
Which of the two has a slimmer cut? My understanding is Corneliani is much more akin to RL Black Label than Canali. I have heard Canali is not a good cut for slim people.
post #25 of 60
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Which of the two has a slimmer cut? My understanding is Corneliani is much more akin to RL Black Label than Canali. I have heard Canali is not a good cut for slim people.
I'm fairly slim and much prefer Corneliani.
post #26 of 60
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Originally Posted by water View Post
Which of the two has a slimmer cut? My understanding is Corneliani is much more akin to RL Black Label than Canali. I have heard Canali is not a good cut for slim people.

I think that depends. I am 6' and usually between 180 and 185 lbs, and find Corneliani to be boxy and enormous. I think each maker has different body styles, and I may have been trying on the enormous Corneliani body style. That being said, the Canali suits I own are all flat front and very slim fit. I would recommend you try the different options to see which works best for your build.
post #27 of 60
I seem to be in the minority here, but I much prefer Canali to Corneliani.

Admittedly, I only own 1 piece of Corneliani (the quintessential navy sportcoat), and I haven't even so much as tried on another, but I really don't like the one I have. As some people have indicated, it's large and boxy. It's heavily padded in the shoulders and looks too big - as though I really need a size an inch smaller (45 vs. 46). And the whole jacket tapers awkwardly through the waist - It's like it doesn't allow the skirt to flare out at all, so the "waist suppression" doesn't look like suppression at all - there's no clearly defined waist. The fact that it's not vented probably doesn't help. I wish I hadn't bought it, but it was the only decent navy blue sportcoat I could find after about 3 years of searching. A good one is ridiculously hard to find. (Note that my jacket, while only about 1-2 years old, could be one of the "older" designs a few people on here have referenced.)

The Canalis I own (at least 3 suits and 3 sportcoats, I think more, but I can't conjure up more in my immediate mental inventory) all have a much better, more classically Italian silhouette with great waist suppression and an excellent shape.

But it's important to note that I am a big guy at 46R with a somewhat unusual body shape. I have broad shoulders and I could stand to lose a few pounds through the middle, and I have very large hips and a long torso with comparatively short legs. It could just be that Canali fits me better, and if I could wear the crazy skinny stuff that's mostly in favor on this board, I might prefer the Corneliani.

It's also important to note that virtually all my Canali is 2-button. They are making a 3-button these days that doesn't roll particularly well, and has a very high button stance that I think most folks on here would consider gauche. I'm therefore not surprised at the lack of Canali love on here.

From a quality standpoint, both garments should have full floating canvases and excellent construction. I don't know that you can pick nits between the two from a construction standpoint. The one problem I have had with any of these garments came from the Corneliani - the buttons, which may be Mother of Pearl (I can't tell for sure) came back severely chipped, ie missing big chunks, after their first trip to the dry cleaner. That said, I can't be sure that wasn't the dry cleaner's fault.

Like some other folks, I have seen the occasional Corneliani at Sak's Off-Fifth, and the fabrics looked sumptuous, but never in the right size. I have never run across discount Canali at a discounter, but I have bought them on sale at my local haberdasher and also at the Barney's NY Warehouse sale at heavy discounts ($500-600 for a suit).

It would stand to reason that Corneliani might offer a better "value" in the US because they don't have the brand cachet of Canali. But don't let anyone pull you into the Super 120s vs. Super 150s bullspit - 120 vs. 150, in a vacuum, doesn't mean a damned thing.

Most everyone on here is dead right on the money - fit is king. One of these brands may fit you better than the other, and might be a hint as to the direction you want to go when shopping later. But you should still try everything on, from both makers, and go with what fits you best.
post #28 of 60
I like neither, I find Corneliani cut to be weird , they have farily (not extreme though) high armhole, but shoulders are heavily padded ( at least the Vough model , which is the most popular one ), even more padded than the BB Golden Fleece suit I have. It has very little if any wasit suppresion and the sleeves come way too long with faux button holes already sew in (which means you will lose all of that once they shorten the sleeves to proper length ).

Canali, while has less padding on shoulders, their cut is just for ppl with a gut.
If you are in any kinda of shape, you will have trouble tailoring the suit to fit the waist correctly.

save up some $$ for Isaia man ,
post #29 of 60
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save up some $$ for Isaia man ,

Oddly, I've yet to find an Isaia that fits me well or that particularly struck my fancy. All depends on taste and build, I suppose.

I recently bought a Brooks sportcoat on deep discount. It's a current season model and its shoulders feel huge on me.

Admittedly, I prefer Corneliani for suits, where a Corneliani-style shoulder is more at home. I tend to like a natural shoulder for sportcoats.
post #30 of 60
I have both, but Corneliani is my favorite OTR suit. (In fact - I have one on today...). I bought the first of each at about the same time, but since have added four Corneliani's but not another Canali. Quality seems very similar, but the Corneliani just fits me way better. In fact, a few months ago I walked into Raphaels shop wearing my best fitting Corneliani and he said - "Did I make that one for you? I dont recall that one." No greater praise of fit IMO.

Edit - it may be more helpful to you if I included my body type. Im typically a 44R and about a 35 waist. 6' - 185 lbs. Two distinctive features of my anatomy that make OTR suits sometimes a challenge for me is 1) I have rather long arms, 2) I have VERY square shoulders. The area on back right below the collar must ALWAYS be taken in on me. Kind of expensive, but it needs to be done or I look rediculous. In any event, the Corneliani seems to tailor to my dimensions rather nicely. Hope this was helpful.
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