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post #76 of 86
10/11/07 at 8:16pm
no i mean like you and me in the octagon
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post #77 of 86
10/12/07 at 4:42am
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Here`s an interesting scientific study that I came across while searching. Basically, it says there is no added benefit to 6 meals vs 2 meals (no breakfast). The weird part was that they decided to skip breakfast, and still 6 meals did not win (I always thought skipping breakfast was a major no-no). Also, by gorging at night, the 2 meal side actually wins during the night time, because eating more makes your metabolism go up more. (WTF? ) I am not saying THIS study is the final word. I am just saying this is another example that shows that for every scientific study saying there IS a benefit to eating 6 meals, there are others saying no difference at all. http://www.nature.com/ijo/journal/v2.../0801572a.html
I'm not surprised that they didn't notice an effect after only 14 days. It really takes 8 to 12 weeks to really feel a major difference. At about the 3 month point, I was going through food like crazy. I was constantly hungry too, which tells me something was very different. None of the studies that you're posting had experiments that were done long enough. I'd like to see some experiments that go up to the 12 week point AND have participants who are exercising daily. As far as the gorging at night and making your metabolism go up, that is only for the short term. I've come across studies as well that point out that by eating one "cheat meal" of whatever you want per week, your metabolism will increase around 9% the next day because of the increase in calories. So I made sure I had at least one cheat meal per week, sometimes two. I did that every Sunday, usually eating Fatburger religiously. I think you can have good results eating only 3 times per day. I think you'll have to work a little longer to see them if you're trying to loose a lot of weight though. And La Guy - screw you for being so genetically blessed. LA Guy is an example of a total mesomorph, able to eat anything and everything and still loose weight and build muscle. But I totally agree with your theory about staying lean by living like predators.
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post #78 of 86
10/12/07 at 4:48am
One thing's for sure though, exercise trumps diet.
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post #79 of 86
10/12/07 at 2:55pm
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no i mean like you and me in the octagon
Considering the shape I am in right now, I would probably pull a muscle or break my back before you even have the chance to try to beat me
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One thing's for sure though, exercise trumps diet.
+1 I agree.
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None of the studies that you're posting had experiments that were done long enough. I'd like to see some experiments that go up to the 12 week point AND have participants who are exercising daily.
I agree the study is too short, but that`s the way these SCIENTIST do these SCIENTIFIC STUDIES. They can manipulate the result by changing the variables. That`s part of my point. Same goes for the studies that show there IS a benefit for 6 meals.
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As far as the gorging at night and making your metabolism go up, that is only for the short term. I've come across studies as well that point out that by eating one "cheat meal" of whatever you want per week, your metabolism will increase around 9% the next day because of the increase in calories. So I made sure I had at least one cheat meal per week, sometimes two. I did that every Sunday, usually eating Fatburger religiously.
At least we are in agreement that Fatburger is good
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I think you can have good results eating only 3 times per day. I think you'll have to work a little longer to see them if you're trying to loose a lot of weight though.
Yes, maybe. Also, I think that people who go with 6 meals tend to be more dedicated to the plan, more conscious of portions and content, so they get better results.
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post #80 of 86
10/12/07 at 7:43pm
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One thing's for sure though, exercise trumps diet.

Not for weight loss purposes. You can lose weight a lot faster by consuming fewer calories than by burning more calories with exercise. My doctor says losing weight is 80% diet, 20% exercise. Based on my experience to date he's right.

The original poster of this thread hasn't replied since day one, so I'm not sure why we bother. He sounds like the classic case of a very fit fat person who refuses to alter his calorie consumption -- he uses exercise as an excuse to eat.
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post #81 of 86
10/12/07 at 7:51pm
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Not for weight loss purposes. You can lose weight a lot faster by consuming fewer calories than by burning more calories with exercise. My doctor says losing weight is 80% diet, 20% exercise. Based on my experience to date he's right.

The original poster of this thread hasn't replied since day one, so I'm not sure why we bother. He sounds like the classic case of a very fit fat person who refuses to alter his calorie consumption -- he uses exercise as an excuse to eat.

Unlike the 6 meals vs 3 meals issue, there IS a consensus among the scientific community that exercise raises the metabolism. Since the base metabolism is raised, there is more benefit to exercise than just the direct calories burned (I think )
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post #82 of 86
10/12/07 at 7:54pm
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He sounds like the classic case of a very fat person who refuses to alter his calorie consumption -- he uses exercise as an excuse to eat.

Seconded. Isn't it nice when we can agree every once in a while. (although I did fix your (typo?) mistake)

On the other side of the spectrum, some people use eating as an excuse to exercise. Can't say I'm not guilty of that one.
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post #83 of 86
10/12/07 at 8:11pm
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Unlike the 6 meals vs 3 meals issue, there IS a consensus among the scientific community that exercise raises the metabolism. Since the base metabolism is raised, there is more benefit to exercise than just the direct calories burned (I think )

Well I sort of share your position since the beginning, in that I don't see significant benefits in rigidly following any diet plan. I do 3 bigger-size meals myself with at least decent-sized (not calorie-nimbling, mind you) snacks in between, as this works best w/ my current schedule.

That being said, I haven't seen any research suggesting eating 3 times a day is better than 6; which means, there are no downsides, health-wise, in perusing the 6-meals-a-day plan. And if I were to lose weight, I'd need all the help I can get.

Also, specifically for losing fat around the belly, I don't think eating less meals, thus in larger portion is wise at all. Excessive expansion/contraction of stomach muscles most likely would result in looser love handles.
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post #84 of 86
10/12/07 at 8:19pm
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That being said, I haven't seen any research suggesting eating 3 times a day is better than 6; which means, there are no downsides, health-wise, in perusing the 6-meals-a-day plan. And if I were to lose weight, I'd need all the help I can get.

I agree...of course, I am not implying that 3 meals has any advantage over 6 though
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post #85 of 86
10/12/07 at 10:56pm
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And La Guy - screw you for being so genetically blessed. LA Guy is an example of a total mesomorph, able to eat anything and everything and still loose weight and build muscle. But I totally agree with your theory about staying lean by living like predators.

Nah, I think that I'm more of an ectomorph with some meso-tendencies, if anything. I am reasonably naturally strong for my body type, especially in terms of fast twitch muscles and core. For example, I can do full sets of (second arm aided) one armed pull ups, and have run 5:20 miles. However, I lose muscle rapidly from my upper body if I don't lift and do other strength training regularly, and will be left as just a skinny guy with small love handles.

I do have friends who are natural mesomorphs though, and it is annoying. A very good friend of mine (still in the LA area, actually) eats everything he wants, works out, but does no cardio, and is just cut and very strong, able to curl 75 lbs a hand as warmup, and possessed of a super cut body and a 14" drop. Screw him.
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post #86 of 86
10/12/07 at 10:57pm
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(although I did fix your (typo?) mistake)

Actually wasn't a typo. A fit person can be fat, and vice versa. A chubby guy who does a lot of cardio will be able to outlast a skinny guy who's inactive, esp with something like biking or rowing where weight is not as much of an issue.

I'm a classic case of someone who uses exercise as an excuse to pig out, though I'm changing my ways (30 lbs lost so far). But I was never super fit... running still wears me out pretty fast.
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