Originally Posted by Find Finn
I would personally prefer it, as I like being my own boss. It's easier to set up something in a non saturated market, so f.x. setting a Syrian chicken stand is easier somewhere with no to few, than in the middle of a non war thorn Damascus.
There's a chain of middle eastern restaurants in Brazil called Habib's, which is basically the same concept.
Yeah, we acutely need engineers, doctors etc., but there's a couple issues.
1. The university of Bagdad is not a recognized university in most European countries, so their degrees aren't transferable, I assume the same goes for Damascus, so they sadly can't use their degrees and therefor not become doctors etc.
2. The governments tax system is pushing out almost all production jobs, so we almost don't have any blue-collar jobs left, for people of lower education to get/take.
Plus most construction jobs are being outsourced to EE workers, who are getting paid way below union workers.
3. Statistics show that non western immigrants and decentness there of range higher in the unemployment Nat av. 12% NW 50%, 22% of all people on wellfare are non western immigrants.
They are 7.2% of the entire population, but they stand for 13% of all criminal conviction. (Palestinians are the highest).
Their grades are 2-3 point on the 12 scale lower than western and native danes, based on experience it's the boys who are dragging down the average, as the girls are doing exceedingly well and almost all of them end up at some sort of uni. (Vietnamese are the only higher than danes)
There are twice as many on early retirement, than non western immigrants and native danes.
4. I know multiple larger firms, who are more or less unwilling to hire especially muslims, due to multiple bad experiences of being unwilling to work and a very high number of sick days and poor attitudes.
So the question is, are they the immigrants we need to solve our problems or should we import asians and EE?
Statistics show that they are much easier to integrant into society, are higher educated, commit less crime and have a lower unemployment rate per capita. Which means we can sustain our wellfare system.
1 - I never spoke about high level jobs, but ok. For sure there is a need in Europe for engineers and doctors. I'd like to argue that we need tradesmen as well, which most of the immigrants can become if they simply want to work. What I'd like to see is a program that would not separate them from society, but immediately put them through the employers office, helping them get a job, any job, asap. A lot of unemployment here is also due to lack of flexibility. For instance, in the Netherlands we insisted on supporting a building sector that had become bloated by building waaaaaaay to many offices for at least a decade, while we should have tried to shift part of the jobs in that sector to metal working when the crisis struck, where we've seen a shortage for 5 years already. Instead the government bowed to pressure from the builders and went out on an infrastructure building spree. I don't mind that, but now that that particular boom has ended, the building sector is right back where it was in 2008, only without the buffers they had when the crisis first struck.
2- Blue collar jobs also consist of cleaners, plumbers and all sort of service related blue collar jobs. There are plenty, a lot of people just don't want that type of job anymore. Logistics is one sector where the Netherlands is doing particularly well, and one sector that doesn't pay well but can suck up a tremendous amount of unemployed.
3 and 4 I'm not going to debate. We made a serious mistake all over western Europe by not focusing on forced integration. Local language, core western values and dispersement (so not gettoing) should have been a focus. We failed there, and its one area where intelligent policy making could have made the difference.
EE immigration wont last for much longer as growth rates in Eastern Europe are picking up. Asians maybe, but they will never come on a large enough scale.
As for unemployment benefits and people not willing to work, I am very interested in the effects of the experiment in the UK of raising the minimum wage whilst lowering benefits. If it succeeds we might see that policy implemented in both our respective countries as well..
Anyways, back to Syria, with this discussion in any case. Seems like Putin is doing a hail mary in supporting Assad on a large scale, while the regime is crumbling.
@Ethan, you seem to be sure that something moderate will stand up once Assad is gone, I honestly fear for the Alawites and other minor sects in the region once that happens..