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I think that is a ridiculous statement to make. This al-Qeada or Bashar dichotomy is false. The answer is neither. I fully understand Alan's position as a Christian in Lebanon but in a post-war Syria there can't be any place for Bashar and those complicit in war crimes. 

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I think that is a ridiculous statement to make. This al-Qeada or Bashar dichotomy is false. The answer is neither. I fully understand Alan's position as a Christian in Lebanon but in a post-war Syria there can't be any place for Bashar and those complicit in war crimes. 

I lol (then cry) when i hear Kerry or Obama talk about whos gonna exist in their postwar Syria.

They intervened in Libya. Did they install a democratic alternative? theres now a savage war there between islamists and god knows who backed by either saudi arabia or qatar.

They intervened in Iraq. Now theyre saying the shiite government is sectarian. Wheres is their democratic alternative? ISIS has half the country and is committing ethnic massacres every day. Yet Saddam was ousted with a fullblown military campaign for alleged WMDs that didnt exist.

This dichotomy is not false. Its what exists on the ground. You can dress up as many opposition figurines in Turkey that noone has heard about in suits all you want, what exists on the ground is the regime and the islamists.
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what exists on the ground is the regime and the islamists.

 

Okay, let me put it in a different way, Bashar has no place in an ideal post-war Syria. 

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Okay, let me put it in a different way, Bashar has no place in an ideal post-war Syria. 

I think the time for an ideal post-war Syria has long since passed.
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I think the time for an ideal post-war Syria has long since passed.


Sure, but that doesn't mean everybody should throw their hands up and say, fuck it, we'll take the murderous dictator.

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Sure, but that doesn't mean everybody should throw their hands up and say, fuck it, we'll take the murderous dictator.

There is nothing we can do.

The Middle East must make and follow its own path.

For this is the way of things.
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There is nothing we can do.

The Middle East must make and follow its own path.

For this is the way of things.

 

There is a saying for this: hasbunallah wa ni'mal wakeel. God is sufficient for us and is the best disposer of affairs.

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Sure, but that doesn't mean everybody should throw their hands up and say, fuck it, we'll take the murderous dictator.

The international community can do whatever it wants. Sanctions, pressure, whatever. Hell if they had a military canpaign it would have been a better alternative.

But for christs sake dont have NATO members arming alqaeda...
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Sure, but that doesn't mean everybody should throw their hands up and say, fuck it, we'll take the murderous dictator.

Why not? It worked in

 

Iraq with Saddam, Shah in Iran, Mubarak in Egypt, Thani in Bahrain and Now Saudi in Yemen. They all enjoyed full support of US until their time was up and provided no further use.

 

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 But seriously, this series of Brookings blogs on quietest Salafism is pretty good: http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/markaz/posts/2015/03/13-rethinking-islamism-quietist-salafis
 
The human toll of the crisis in Syria (which activist and quietist Salafis depict as a result of the Asad government’s Shiite faith) has led some non-violent Salafis—such as the Lebanese Salafi Ahmed al-Assir—to take up arms and lead battalions in Syria

 

This BS is so similar to Salafi whispers claiming that Baghdadi was a sufi before he was locked up by US. Nobody becomes a goon overnight until they are getting paid or have a corrupt ideology to begin with

 

 

 

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Can somebody tell me why Ali Khedery gets to share his "facts" on CNN? That guy is a stooge if there ever was one. He went on CNN and claimed that ISIS took Ramadi with just 150 fighters :facepalm:

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probably similar reasons as to why that compulsive liar ayan hirsi gets any airtime anywhere
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The infinite monkey theorem states that a monkey hitting random typewriter keys for an infinite amount of time will eventually be able to create the complete works of Shakespeare. Various scientists such as Nobel laureate Arno Penzias have shown how the theorem is mathematically impossible. Using that metaphor, if you took every member of United States Congress and House of Representatives and wrote their collected wisdom on Iraq, it's unlikely they could equal the astuteness of even a single chapter of author Malcolm W. Nance in The Terrorists of Iraq: Inside the Strategy and Tactics of the Iraq Insurgency 2003-2014. It's Nance's overwhelming real-world experiential knowledge of the subject, language, culture, tribal affiliations and more which make this the overwhelming definitive book on the subject.

Edited by the shah - 5/18/15 at 6:01pm
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Dutch Nusra guy

Yes, we ask for a stand because the future of Shaam is not in the hands of US, SA or Turkey, it's in our hands, the Mujahideen of Shaam...

 

 

This is a Dutch-born Nusra guy. Does he really believe that their future is not in the hands of other states? Delusions on top of delusions.

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'Alloush changing his tune now that his pockets are full of Turkish Lira:

 

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Suicide bombing at a mosque in Qatif because there wasn't enough sectarian tragedy in the world already. 

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Parts of the DIA report (havent read so cant tell context or reliability)
Id say the average arab conspiracy theorist is once again closer to the truth than the head in the sand westerner

THE GENERAL SITUATION:

A. INTERNALLY, EVENTS ARE TAKING A CLEAR SECTARIAN DIRECTION.

B. THE SALAFIST [sic], THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD, AND AQI ARE THE MAJOR FORCES DRIVING THE INSURGENCY IN SYRIA.

C. THE WEST, GULF COUNTRIES, AND TURKEY SUPPORT THE OPPOSITION; WHILE RUSSIA, CHINA AND IRAN SUPPORT THE REGIME.



3. (C) Al QAEDA – IRAQ (AQI):… B. AQI SUPPORTED THE SYRIAN OPPOSITION FROM THE BEGINNING, BOTH IDEOLOGICALLY AND THROUGH THE MEDIA…



4.D. THERE WAS A REGRESSION OF AQI IN THE WESTERN PROVINCES OF IRAQ DURING THE YEARS OF 2009 AND 2010; HOWEVER, AFTER THE RISE OF THE INSURGENCY IN SYRIA, THE RELIGIOUS AND TRIBAL POWERS IN THE REGIONS BEGAN TO SYMPATHIZE WITH THE SECTARIAN UPRISING. THIS (SYMPATHY) APPEARED IN FRIDAY PRAYER SERMONS, WHICH CALLED FOR VOLUNTEERS TO SUPPORT THE SUNNI’S [sic] IN SYRIA.



7. (C) THE FUTURE ASSUMPTIONS OF THE CRISIS:

A. THE REGIME WILL SURVIVE AND HAVE CONTROL OVER SYRIAN TERRITORY.

B. DEVELOPMENT OF THE CURRENT EVENTS INTO PROXY WAR: …OPPOSITION FORCES ARE TRYING TO CONTROL THE EASTERN AREAS (HASAKA AND DER ZOR), ADJACENT TO THE WESTERN IRAQI PROVINCES (MOSUL AND ANBAR), IN ADDITION TO NEIGHBORING TURKISH BORDERS. WESTERN COUNTRIES, THE GULF STATES AND TURKEY ARE SUPPORTING THESE EFFORTS. THIS HYPOTHESIS IS MOST LIKELY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DATA FROM RECENT EVENTS, WHICH WILL HELP PREPARE SAFE HAVENS UNDER INTERNATIONAL SHELTERING, SIMILAR TO WHAT TRANSPIRED IN LIBYA WHEN BENGHAZI WAS CHOSEN AS THE COMMAND CENTER OF THE TEMPORARY GOVERNMENT.



8.C. IF THE SITUATION UNRAVELS THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF ESTABLISHING A DECLARED OR UNDECLARED SALAFIST PRINCIPALITY IN EASTERN SYRIA (HASAKA AND DER ZOR), AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE SUPPORTING POWERS TO THE OPPOSITION WANT, IN ORDER TO ISOLATE THE SYRIAN REGIME, WHICH IS CONSIDERED THE STRATEGIC DEPTH OF THE SHIA EXPANSION (IRAQ AND IRAN)

8.D.1. …ISI COULD ALSO DECLARE AN ISLAMIC STATE THROUGH ITS UNION WITH OTHER TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS IN IRAQ AND SYRIA, WHICH WILL CREATE GRAVE DANGER IN REGARDS TO UNIFYING IRAQ AND THE PROTECTION OF ITS TERRITORY., WHICH WILL CREATE GRAVE DANGER IN REGARDS TO UNIFYING IRAQ AND THE PROTECTION OF ITS TERRITORY.
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