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Isis attacking the ancient city of palmyra in Syria.



For those who pretend to defend western values yet back the terrorists, that sign by the syrian army there reads "zanubia will not wear a veil as long as we're in the field". Talk about bashar all you want, the choice between him and the gulf-turkey backed islamists is clear.
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Isis attacking the ancient city of palmyra in Syria.



For those who pretend to defend western values yet back the terrorists, that sign by the syrian army there reads "zanubia will not wear a veil as long as we're in the field". Talk about bashar all you want, the choice between him and the gulf-turkey backed islamists is clear.

as a liberal, I've long been confused by American lib-dems who love to support people whom abhor the core values of liberals.
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Bashar and the Salafis are just two sides of the same fucked up coin.
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I think one side is power-hungry and pragmatic in keeping it. I can't comprehend the brain of a salafist.
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I think one side is power-hungry and pragmatic in keeping it. I can't comprehend the brain of a salafist.


Nobody can but here is an Australian Salafi for your amusement:

 

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But seriously, this series of Brookings blogs on quietest Salafism is pretty good: http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/markaz/posts/2015/03/13-rethinking-islamism-quietist-salafis

 

You can make an argument that Ahrar is underpinned by a quietest Salafism ideology. I don't know if a group engaging in armed conflict can still be considered quietist but their approach of bringing the people to Islam instead of forcing it on them, executing, or exiling them is in contrast to AQ and ISIS's takfiri approach.

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According to this bbc persian link, ISIS and the Taleban are fighting in eastern Afghanistan
http://www.bbc.co.uk/persian/afghanistan/2015/05/150516_k02-is-taleban-battle-nangarhar

It's spring again, and in Egypt they're executing Morsi...
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And the raid in Deir az-Zour looks like it was a failure but they got a door prize. 

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Well this is a bit awkward. Leaflets dropped in Raqqa in Shami (they even threw a kasrah in kil):

 

"ISIS: The area that you govern is shrinking and getting smaller every day. We have killed many of your leaders and countless fighters. We can get at you any place and any time. You don't have the power to stop us. We won't stop. You are destined to lose your war. Your destruction has approached and the zero hour is very near." 

 

Given that ISIS  is moving on Palmyra and has taken Ramadi this seems a bit silly. 

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Good guys are fucking terrible at psy-ops
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At least this one didn't have a meat grinder in it. 

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I think one side is power-hungry and pragmatic in keeping it. I can't comprehend the brain of a salafist.

Thats pretty much it.

The syrian regime protects its hold on power. Outside of that, you can live and believe and have whatever culture you desire. Its opposition beheads you for being christian, shiite, a different-minded sunni. In a region of endless greys and black and no white options, ill take that grey over that black.

Now the regime needed to evolve/be replaced at some point, but it isnt with importing chechen terrorists and pumping saudi wahhabi billions that that society will evolve.
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Lawmaker asks gov’t over claims of illegal arms shipment to Syria

TODAY'S ZAMAN- ISTANBUL

A senior opposition deputy has asked about allegations that three new trucks belonging to the National Intelligence Organization (MİT) carried arms to opposition groups in Syria last week.

In a written parliamentary question to Interior Minister Sebahattin Öztürk, main opposition Republican People's Party (CHP) İstanbul deputy Mahmut Tanal questioned the allegations that three MİT trucks, loaded with arms and ammunition and parked in the courtyard of the Şanlıurfa Police Department's building on the evening of May 6, set off through the Akçakale border gate in the direction of Syria on the morning of May 7. Tanal also mentioned the tight security measures surrounding the trucks and the different license plates placed on the front and back ends of the trucks.

The CHP deputy asked about the content of the trucks parked in the courtyard of the police department in the evening hours on May 6 and questioned why the front and back plates of the trucks were different.

Tanal also inquired about if the trucks were going to Syria and asked what kind of materials they were carrying, and to whom these materials would be delivered. Allegations of the trucks belonging to MİT, the tight security measures surrounding them, and if the trucks carried arms and ammunition were also among the questions directed to Öztürk.

Last year, a number of trucks which were found to belong to MİT were stopped by gendarmes in two separate incidents in the southern provinces of Hatay and Adana, after prosecutors received tip-offs that they were carrying arms to Syria.

Although the government has claimed that the trucks were transporting humanitarian aid to the Turkmen community in Syria, opposition voices have continued to question why, if the operation was within the law, the minister and local authorities stepped in to prevent the trucks from being searched.

Four former prosecutors and an ex-gendarme were imprisoned after a court ordered their arrest due to their role in the search of trucks allegedly carrying weapons to rebel groups in Syria, a move that came shortly after government figures, including President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, accused the officials of "treason."

Former Adana Chief Public Prosecutor Süleyman Bağrıyanık, former Adana Deputy Chief Public Prosecutor Ahmet Karaca, Adana Prosecutors Aziz Takçı and Özcan Şişman and former Adana provincial gendarmerie commander Col. Özkan Çokay were arrested on Thursday on charges of "attempting to topple or incapacitate the Turkish government through the use of force or coercion and exposing information regarding the security and political activities of the state."

A prosecutor who has been appointed Adana chief public prosecutor reportedly told the lawyer of one of the fired prosecutors in a court hearing that tucks carrying weapons made 2,000 trips to Syria. The spy agency owned the trucks.
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Thats pretty much it.

The syrian regime protects its hold on power. Outside of that, you can live and believe and have whatever culture you desire. Its opposition beheads you for being christian, shiite, a different-minded sunni. In a region of endless greys and black and no white options, ill take that grey over that black.

Now the regime needed to evolve/be replaced at some point, but it isnt with importing chechen terrorists and pumping saudi wahhabi billions that that society will evolve.


It's just with importing Lebanese terrorists? He doesn't kill his supporters for being Christian, Shiite, or Sunni except if you are in rebel held areas. Asad has killed way more civilians than the opposition.

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Better dead than living under salafists.
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