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The shah doesnt iran have sunni imams in sunni regions and shiite imams in shiite ones? Its my understandingg that they dont allow mosques for a specific sect but the imam follows the majority of the mosques region. I may be under sugarcoated information though.

Saudis have pulled a Dresden on Saada. Not even israelis received that much lenience from the international community in terms of mass bombings. I remember in 2006 youd get at leasat face saving statements about civilians but total international silence about yemen, the poorest people in the region

Yes in regions of Sunni majority there are mosques following Sunni schools of thought, but that generally follows ethnic divisions as well--Kurds, Azeris(Turkics), some Arabs in Ahwaz region, and on the eastern side the Balochis. But there are also sizable populations in the larger cities, and I was speaking about Tehran specifically since it's the capital and financial hub so lot of different groups move there.

There are also Jews, Christians (Armenians), and Zoroastrians and they don't fare too well either. Baha'is have it pretty bad, not even allowed to enter higher education so that's why there are huge diasporas.

Of course this is all relative and compared to other countries in the region these minorities have it fairly easy...

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Saudis have agreed to a ceasefire -- now that there's nothing left to bomb, I guess
post #587 of 2698
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Nevermind it's a scene from a propaganda video. 


Edited by ethanm - 5/10/15 at 2:25pm
post #588 of 2698
So my first post here after nearly 600 posts in this thread.

Ethan, what do you think the chances are of the veracity of stories coming out the Obama administration lied three ways to Sunday about taking out OBL as recounted by them?
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Chances? I have no idea. I don't think that it really matters that much either way. The only thing that I find interesting is that if it's true that ISI and Saudi knew where bin Laden was, then they must know where Zawahiri is. 

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Chances? I have no idea. I don't think that it really matters that much either way. The only thing that I find interesting is that if it's true that ISI and Saudi knew where bin Laden was, then they must know where Zawahiri is. 

Just so we're clear here you've saying it doesn't matter if the Obama administration has been lying about this?
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Just so we're clear here you've saying it doesn't matter if the Obama administration has been lying about this?


Maybe domestically but it doesn't change a damn thing in the Middle East. I don't think any of these alleged revelations will change anyone's calculus on Pakistan either. 

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"the Seal team had bragged to colleagues and others that they had torn bin Laden’s body to pieces with rifle fire."

 

I can tell you that this is 100% bullshit. You can hardly tear a soda can to pieces with an m4 let alone a person. You need at least .50 to start shooting people apart.

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what details were wrong, what difference does it make, and what is the reliability of the source(s) ?
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what details were wrong, what difference does it make, and what is the reliability of the source(s) ?

Yeah, what difference could it make if a guy had been held prisoner for a few years, then just for election season, Obama was able to make out like he's the reason we got OBL. Can't see the political calculus in that scenario at all.

As for reliability...it's the same guy that broke Abu Ghraib.
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We are talking about 2 different things. You are talking about what might have happened if the Obama administration hadn't allegedly lied.

 

Shah and I are saying that the revelation that the administration may have lied isn't going to change anything moving forward no matter the truthiness of it. 

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We are talking about 2 different things. You are talking about what might have happened if the Obama administration hadn't allegedly lied.

Shah and I are saying that the revelation that the administration may have lied isn't going to change anything moving forward no matter the truthiness of it. 

So moving forward we won't lose all that respect Obama got us just by being elected? confused.gif

I'll back out of this thread. Just wanted to see what you'd have to say about this possible development.
post #597 of 2698
i don't think you should back out of a thread, it's an interesting development, i just don't see how it makes a difference anymore except it gives more reason for those who already hate obama to continue doing so. distortions from administrations isn't really anything new. i actually mean hersh's sources since they've been questionable before, but hasn't he been saying it's a lie since 2013 ? so why is it now an issue, except that he's just written more about it ? generally, i think it'll give impetus to the distrust of ISI among pakistanis, furthering theories of high level corruption or what have you, and tarnish the image of the US a bit more.
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I think Hersh is a purveyor of rumors who sometimes gets it right.

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I hope Pio is still here, Aron Lund always with some good stuff: 

  1. PT: Hersh says the Abbottabad docs released via CTC West Point are fake. He has to, since they contradict they idea that OBL was a prisoner>

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    >of the ISI from 2006. But Zawahiri says they're real & quoted them in his Sep 2014 voice statement "شهادة لحقن دماء المجاهدين بالشام".>

     
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    >So either Hersh is being led to journalistic suicide by his sources (which seem to be identical to those who helped him with his Syria CW>

     
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  4. >texts), or... Zawahiri is helping Obama forge evidence to boost US-Pakistan relations, which seems like an unusual hobby for an AQ leader.

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Ethan, what do you think the chances are of the veracity of stories coming out...

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I hope Pio is still here, Aron Lund always with some good stuff: 
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