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It's an FSA brigade that is going to take over a lot of the fighting once the YPG/J come up to Arab villages around Tal Abyad and Raqqah. 

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"We have bombs, missiles and bullets... There are no barrel bombs, we don't have barrels"

 

Fuck this guy. Why is even being given air time and the respect of the BBC?

 

Oh yeah, and he laughed while he said it.

 

 

And while he was saying all of this barrel bombs were being dropped on Douma. 

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"We have bombs, missiles and bullets... There are no barrel bombs, we don't have barrels"

 

Fuck this guy. Why is even being given air time and the respect of the BBC?

 

Oh yeah, and he laughed while he said it.

 

 

And while he was saying all of this barrel bombs were being dropped on Douma. 

Every president engaged in warfare has lied.

 

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 Fuck this guy.

Yeah, Fuck this guy. Whats your solution?

 

 

 

Its unfortunate but i think its great they torched the Jordanian pilot. Sahih Hadith strongly prohibit using fire as means of punishment and it shows that ISIS has nothing to do with following the Sunnah. I cant wait for that day when ISIS crosses the border and start blowing shit up all over the place.

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Every president engaged in warfare has lied.

 

Yeah, Fuck this guy. Whats your solution?

 

Its unfortunate but i think its great they torched the Jordanian pilot. Sahih Hadith strongly prohibit using fire as means of punishment and it shows that ISIS has nothing to do with following the Sunnah. I cant wait for that day when ISIS crosses the border and start blowing shit up all over the place.

 

First of all the lying is somewhat inconsequential here. The indiscriminate bombing of civilian areas, the deliberate elimination of the non-jihadi oppposition, and the goddamn smirk are what get him a big fuck you.

 

My solution, which is not possible for a variety of reasons, would be Hashemite custodianship of Syria while a new government is formed and the jihadis are eliminated, placated, and reintegrated. No opposition group has shown enough competency to run an interim government or form a new government. Jordan, while not stable like a Western democracy, is the most stable country in the Levant (Israel excepted). 

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First of all the lying is somewhat inconsequential here. The indiscriminate bombing of civilian areas, the deliberate elimination of the non-jihadi oppposition, and the goddamn smirk are what get him a big fuck you.

Let me ask you again. Legally accepted govt who are fighting terrorism have killed just as many or more innocent civilians yet are respected so why fuck you this guy?

 

 

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 My solution, which is not possible for a variety of reasons, would be Hashemite custodianship of Syria while a new government is formed and the jihadis are eliminated, placated, and reintegrated. No opposition group has shown enough competency to run an interim government or form a new government. Jordan, while not stable like a Western democracy, is the most stable country in the Levant (Israel excepted). 

You are right. Its not possible so draw a plan that can be implemented which is better then Assad controlling Syria.

 

10 years have passed and Iraq is still not clear of  these Jihadis. Libya has been "liberated" yet its not clear and then you have all these fuckers arming FSA/Splinter groups to the teeth and you think after Assad dies and Allawis are butchered these Jiihadis are gonna pack up their bags and leave/eliminated?

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Let me ask you again. Legally accepted govt who are fighting terrorism have killed just as many or more innocent civilians yet are respected so why fuck you this guy?

Which ones have done so with full intent in a similar span of time ?

Assad also effectively helped in the creation of the extremists he now fights against. During the time leading up to the revolts, his government was trying to manipulate the salafis to its own advantage, making Syia an important route of entry for Iraq (where they would go off and presumably be killed) and maintaining attention on destabilized post-Saddam Bagdad and away from the authoritarian regime in Damascus.
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Let me ask you again. Legally accepted govt who are fighting terrorism have killed just as many or more innocent civilians yet are respected so why fuck you this guy?

 

Are you seriously asking why I have contempt for a man who spreads slogans like بشار الأسد أو نحرق البلد? You cannot address the jihadi problem without first addressing its cause. We have seen this go from civil demonstrations to protestors taking up arms in defense to SAA officers and enlisted defecting and forming the FSA to the Salafi jihadi playground now.

 

Do you know where Zahran Alloush came from? He was released from one of Asad's prisons and is doing exactly what Bashar wanted him to. The leader of Suqur ash-Sham is the son of an Ikhwani who was jailed by Hafiz in the 80s. Bashar has deliberately eliminated the "moderate" opposition which has left the jihadis.

 

Heavy handed security measures are met with heavy handed responses.

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And while he was saying all of this barrel bombs were being dropped on Douma. 

Is there some import to the barrel bomb distinction? It doesn't seem any better to be dropping regular bombs on civilians.
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Is there some import to the barrel bomb distinction? It doesn't seem any better to be dropping regular bombs on civilians.


Barrel bombs are indiscriminate and are very often dropped in or near civilian areas. It's not really much different from bombing civilians but it's what the regime uses to bomb civilians. 


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Barrel bombs are indiscriminate and are very often dropped in or near civilian areas. It's not really much different from bombing civilians but it's what the regime uses to bomb civilians. 

They sound very much like cluster bombs and white phosphorus..

 

 

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Are you seriously asking why I have contempt for a man who spreads slogans like بشار الأسد أو نحرق البلد? You cannot address the jihadi problem without first addressing its cause. We have seen this go from civil demonstrations to protestors taking up arms in defense to SAA officers and enlisted defecting and forming the FSA to the Salafi jihadi playground now.

 

Do you know where Zahran Alloush came from? He was released from one of Asad's prisons and is doing exactly what Bashar wanted him to. The leader of Suqur ash-Sham is the son of an Ikhwani who was jailed by Hafiz in the 80s. Bashar has deliberately eliminated the "moderate" opposition which has left the jihadis.

 

Heavy handed security measures are met with heavy handed responses.

 

Civilian demonstration to full on war took only 3 months and then got hijacked by militants from various different countries. Some say there are militants from 80 different countries fighting there, so much for a 'Syrian' revolution. Many talks were started and concessions were offered which were rejected by US.

 

 

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 Do you know where Zahran Alloush came from? He was released from one of Asad's prisons and is doing exactly what Bashar wanted him to.

who told you this? Anti-Nusairi and anti-Rafidah  follower of the Ummayad dynasty is working with Assad. Where do you get this nonsense from?

 

Here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUNsSaoPVl8

 

 

Now you tell me and others who Sheikh Arour is and his plans for the Allawis once Assad is disposed off.

 

 

 

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Which ones have done so with full intent in a similar span of time ?

Assad also effectively helped in the creation of the extremists he now fights against. During the time leading up to the revolts, his government was trying to manipulate the salafis to its own advantage, making Syia an important route of entry for Iraq (where they would go off and presumably be killed) and maintaining attention on destabilized post-Saddam Bagdad and away from the authoritarian regime in Damascus.

That's just how things played out. Sheik Assir tried his best to take this to Lebanon first and got his ass whopped. ISIS and other groups aspirations are for a global caliphate so its only normal for them to expand out.

 

 

Calling them Salafis and them working with a Allawi is a contradiction so lets clarify if this is a Islamic organization or mercenaries.

post #281 of 2695
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who told you this? Anti-Nusairi and anti-Rafidah  follower of the Ummayad dynasty is working with Assad. Where do you get this nonsense from?

 

It's documented fact that Alloush was released from political prison in 2011. You are pro-regime yet you throw out Shi'a slurs? To say that Asad is a problem is not to say that the sectarian opposition is also not a problem. However, Asad is killing civilians and radicalizing more on a scale that the jihadis are just not capable of. Alloush started rocketing Damascus last week and killed IIRC under 20 civilians. Yesterday alone 150 civilians were killed in Duma by indiscriminate bombing.

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It's documented fact that Alloush was released from political prison in 2011.

According to McCain 30% of Guantanamo prisoners have returned back to their terrorist activities. Some have headed to Syria and Iraq and died there as well. All documented.

 

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 You are pro-regime yet you throw out Shi'a slurs?

I am not pro-regime and Rafidah is not a Shia slur. Imam Shafi called himself a Rafidah as well.

 

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 To say that Asad is a problem is not to say that the sectarian opposition is also not a problem. However, Asad is killing civilians and radicalizing more on a scale that the jihadis are just not capable of. Alloush started rocketing Damascus last week and killed IIRC under 20 civilians. Yesterday alone 150 civilians were killed in Duma by indiscriminate bombing.

Assad needs to be hung for his crimes but he is way way better then these people opposing him.

 

 

Sheikh Arour, Alloush, Al Nusra, ISIS, ISIL , FSA and all splinter groups have passed clear takfir on Rafidahs and Allawis. Thats a mass genocide waiting to happen once these lunatics come in power and it will spread throughout the ME.

post #283 of 2695
rafidah = rejectors, used by salafis to highlight shi'i refusal to recognize first 3/4 khulafaʾu ar-rashidun. What Imam Shafi meant by it (similar to Ja'far al-Sadiq) is probably different than the context of use today.
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Calling them Salafis and them working with a Allawi is a contradiction so lets clarify if this is a Islamic organization or mercenaries.

You can call them whatever but they draw on Saudi-funded literature that boils down to billions spent just pushing insane tafsir of ibn taymiyyah & ibn qayyim as if they were the only two scholars in existence. Ideology aside, people or groups put their interests first and if interests overlap then so be it, eg Saudi & Israel strategic agreements due to common distaste for Iran, Iranian involvement of funds/arms transfer to afghanistan and not just to the Norhtwestern Alliance / Hazaras, etc
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 Ideology aside, people or groups put their interests first and if interests overlap then so be it, eg Saudi & Israel strategic agreements due to common distaste for Iran, Iranian involvement of funds/arms transfer to afghanistan and not just to the Norhtwestern Alliance / Hazaras, etc

 So Iran wants to spread its influence but its funding groups that are out there ready to eliminate them. Be it today or tomorrow.

 

 

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 You can call them whatever but they draw on Saudi-funded literature that boils down to billions spent just pushing insane tafsir of ibn taymiyyah & ibn qayyim as if they were the only two scholars in existence.

What has Ibn Tamiyya said that the four imam of Ahlesunnah havent said already? I am not talking about fiqh or tawheed but issues of kufr pertaining to this current situation.

 

If you want you can PM me this info because i really want to know. As far i know there is no difference whatsoever.

post #285 of 2695
point was just that ideological leanings don't preclude cooperation.

i'm certainly no expert on fiqh, tawheed, or takfir (just that there are many, many conditions for a valid declaration by a legitimate authority). But anyway context is important when dealing with him, and his life was one conflict after another which can really shape (warp?) one's outlook. You probably already know about the fatwa on attacking mongols (who had already converted to [sunni] islam) for what he perceived to be their displayed impieties. Now you could probably point to battles that took place earlier ex. Ali @ النهروان or Abu Bakr but refusing zakat is pretty straightforward and kharijites themselves started developing takfiri doctrines, but ibn taymiyyah says that mongols, and anyone dealing with them, are equivalent to kharijites and are to be killed so somehow ends up with their own logic despite yearning for return to al salaf al salih...
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