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Originally Posted by NickCarraway View Post
 

 

At least your stupidity is well-timed.  Literally 'ripped from today's headlines':

 

....and? There's nothing remarkable in that article and nothing really that new. The Houthis launched missiles at our boat and we hit them back. It's what ya call an 'isolated incident.' 

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Originally Posted by ethanm View Post

The US "involvement" in Yemen is exactly as follows: the USG will allow the Saudis to do what they will, the US will sell them weapons, the USG will continue to target AQAP, and the USG will target Houthi weapons and facilities if they attempt to disrupt its freedom of movement. Allowing the Saudis to run amok is a consolation for the Iran Nuclear Deal.  

Think of direct US action against the Houthis as Israeli bombing of Hizbollah missiles in Syria. It's not going to lead to further involvement, it's simply protecting assets. 

Now, you can argue about opening the door for mission creep etc but the fact is Yemen doesn't really matter to the US and they pose no real threat Saudi. This administration, for all its faults, has been very resistant to mission creep. 

What Hillary might do is another matter. 

I see bombing civilians doesnt bother you anymore ethan?
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I'm not Saudi. And that is rich coming from a regime supporter.
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But you spent half this thread denouncing bashar as an evil blood sucking murderer then non chalantly proclaim that the US will support saudi arabia with weapons sale and political support when doing the same.

I never claimed bashars bombs dont kill civilians. I claimed his side and rule was better than the islamists.
Your whole view was that hes murdering people and turns out that doesnt bother you that much.

This week is 13 october 1990 commemoration. I had family killed by the syrian regime that day. I have a mass tomorrow for them . I dont have reasons to defend it other than the purely objective reality as it exists.

Whereas you hide behind rosy declarations of morals that you dont even believe in.
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Originally Posted by ethanm View Post
 

The US "involvement" in Yemen is exactly as follows: the USG will allow the Saudis to do what they will, the US will sell them weapons, the USG will continue to target AQAP, and the USG will target Houthi weapons and facilities if they attempt to disrupt its freedom of movement. Allowing the Saudis to run amok is a consolation for the Iran Nuclear Deal.  

Didnt we already let them stroke us when Saudi forces marched in Bahrain? I am sure we made a buck there as well.

 

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Now, you can argue about opening the door for mission creep etc but the fact is Yemen doesn't really matter to the US and they pose no real threat Saudi.

 

What goes around comes around. Just wait.

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Show me again where I supported anything happening in Yemen. All I said was that US involvement in Yemen is more of complacence regarding Saudi strikes (which, by the way, I think are war crimes) and the strike on Houthi missile capabilities is independent of Saudi's war. 

 

The idea that these strikes are the first in a cascade of events that will lead to full US involvement in Yemen is just silly. And I don't think you grasp how little leverage the USG has when it comes to Saudi. 

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Originally Posted by ethanm View Post

The US "involvement" in Yemen is exactly as follows: the USG will allow the Saudis to do what they will, the US will sell them weapons, the USG will continue to target AQAP, and the USG will target Houthi weapons and facilities if they attempt to disrupt its freedom of movement. Allowing the Saudis to run amok is a consolation for the Iran Nuclear Deal.  


NY Times "The Americans are providing targeting intelligence and refueling Saudi warplanes involved in bombing rebel positions. But coalition strikes have also destroyed hospitals, markets and residential neighborhoods, killing large numbers of civilians."
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Another piece from the times
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He has slashed the state budget, frozen government contracts and reduced the pay of civil employees, all part of drastic austerity measures as the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is buffeted by low oil prices.

But last year, Mohammed bin Salman, Saudi Arabia’s deputy crown prince, saw a yacht he couldn’t resist.

While vacationing in the south of France, Prince bin Salman spotted a 440-foot yacht floating off the coast. He dispatched an aide to buy the ship, the Serene, which was owned by Yuri Shefler, a Russian vodka tycoon. The deal was done within hours, at a price of approximately 500 million euros (roughly $550 million today), according to an associate of Mr. Shefler and a Saudi close to the royal family. The Russian moved off the yacht the same day.

It is the paradox of the brash, 31-year-old Prince bin Salman: a man who is trying to overturn tradition, reinvent the economy and consolidate power — while holding tight to his royal privilege. In less than two years, he has emerged as the most dynamic royal in the Arab world’s wealthiest nation, setting up a potential rivalry for the throne.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/10/16/world/rise-of-saudi-prince-shatters-decades-of-royal-tradition.html
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NY Times "The Americans are providing targeting intelligence and refueling Saudi warplanes involved in bombing rebel positions. But coalition strikes have also destroyed hospitals, markets and residential neighborhoods, killing large numbers of civilians."


How many different ways does it need to be said that when it comes down to it, the Saudis are making decisions here. 

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Ethan is nothing if not consistent.
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Originally Posted by FLMountainMan View Post

Ethan is nothing if not consistent.


It's impossible to actually talk about these things with people who think we can just flip a magic switch and disengage from Saudi Arabia. Even more impossible with the anti-imperialism crowd who blame the US for everything. 

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http://mobile.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSKBN12G0MX

 

Look at those evil Americans at it again. 

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Look at those Iraqi fighters go..."Why thousands of Iraqi fighters have poured into Syria to aid Assad".
I thought Iraq is our friend (sniff) after all we paid our Iraqi friends in cash for their friendship, what happened?

http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-iraq-militia-syria-snap-story.html
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War-weary Libyans miss life under Kadhafi

https://www.yahoo.com/news/war-weary-libyans-miss-life-under-kadhafi-055129690.html


Lol, you cannot make this shit up. USA! USA! USA!
Edited by Medwed - 10/17/16 at 3:39am
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Originally Posted by alan View Post

But you spent half this thread denouncing bashar as an evil blood sucking murderer then non chalantly proclaim that the US will support saudi arabia with weapons sale and political support when doing the same.

I never claimed bashars bombs dont kill civilians. I claimed his side and rule was better than the islamists.
Your whole view was that hes murdering people and turns out that doesnt bother you that much.

This week is 13 october 1990 commemoration. I had family killed by the syrian regime that day. I have a mass tomorrow for them . I dont have reasons to defend it other than the purely objective reality as it exists.

Whereas you hide behind rosy declarations of morals that you dont even believe in.

I have to agree with 100% of what you said, I also 'defended' Assad because of reasons you stated and I find it sad but nevertheless true to reality of the situation
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