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Erdogan is in a plane seeking asylum in Germany. Kerry who is in Russia refused to comments saying he doesn't know any details. Interesting.
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You have good sources. I'm online and haven't see that.

I'm sure you're better with the net than I am.
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Erdogan is in a plane seeking asylum in Germany. Kerry who is in Russia refused to comments saying he doesn't know any details. Interesting.

Which makes it 1.000.001 Turks in Germany.

According the news he is on his way back to turkey.
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A coup d'etat might just be what Turkey needs...

the only way this can turn into a net good is if the military shores up the leaky border with syria, further isolating isis economically and in ability to draft external recruits (which by the way has been in sharp decline, i guess reports going back home that it's not all the mythical glory of millennia gone by that it was cracked up to be)

erdogan was awful but i'm not sure a the military will just step aside after the coup and let democratic processes run their course.

by the way, it was included in turkey's constitution of 1920s that the military would act as sort of a supervisor and keeper of the democratic process, so this is in effect acting in accordance with prescribed law.
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Erdogan is in a plane seeking asylum in Germany. Kerry who is in Russia refused to comments saying he doesn't know any details. Interesting.

Which makes it 1.000.001 Turks in Germany.

According the news he is on his way back to turkey.

can't confirm either way, but CNBC/MSNBC is suggesting he was denied asylum in germany and may be headed to germany.
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can't confirm either way, but CNBC/MSNBC is suggesting he was denied asylum in germany and may be headed to germany.

???
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headed to london*

people started going into the minarets, used to make call for prayer, to call folks into the streets. can't be sure which side, but both are now out and about. erdogan used facetime to ask his supporters to go into the streets as well, so it's going to be an all-night clash i assume. martial law declared
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Reports that an F16 shot down a helicopter transporting coup plotters? That would suggest this was a faction and not a united military op

Also Breaking: #Trump receiving emergency briefing from CIA on the subject of where #Turkey is exactly...
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headed to london*

people started going into the minarets, used to make call for prayer, to call folks into the streets. can't be sure which side, but both are now out and about. erdogan used facetime to ask his supporters to go into the streets as well, so it's going to be an all-night clash i assume. martial law declared

The military is looking very restrained. Let's hope they don't start shooting into crowds of people.
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They already have , there's footage of helicopter firing into crowds
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Also Breaking: #Trump receiving emergency briefing from CIA on the subject of where #Turkey is exactly...

He has wise advisers around him like Gingrich, and reports say that Sarah Palin has tutored Trump in international affairs.

In other news, the media seems to be hedging bets and are indicating it could go either way.

but, just now at 6:37, a news report says that Erdogan has declared the coup attempt over and defeated.
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They already have , there's footage of helicopter firing into crowds
I thought the helicopter was shooting at cops?
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Doesn't seem like it but it's chaos right now. More reports of gunfire being exchanged

Interesting scenes of protestors climbing tanks and detaining troops. There is definitely a split within the military on this. If the coup falters Erdogan will return with brutal vengeance (and prob slaughter some Kurds for good measure as well)
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Doesn't seem like it but it's chaos right now. More reports of gunfire being exchanged

Interesting scenes of protestors climbing tanks and detaining troops. There is definitely a split within the military on this. If the coup falters Erdogan will return with brutal vengeance (and prob slaughter some Kurds for good measure as well)

Which result do you think is better for US interests? This is not a trick or bait question. I don't know much about Turkish policy, and I was wondering how either result would effect the US.

By interests, I mean US economic interests and security interests.
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Which result do you think is better for US interests? This is not a trick or bait question. I don't know much about Turkish policy, and I was wondering how either result would effect the US.

By interests, I mean US economic interests and security interests.

It's really difficult to say at this point because I don't follow Turkey as closely and also the general unpredictable nature of military coups--especially when supported by a faction and not united military--and judging their intentions. Egypt sets a bad precedent, for example. In general, Turkey grew to be the 8th largest economy in the world so that's always good for US economic interests. Obviously the blind eye to ISIS activities didn't help stifle growth of extremism and allowed them to bring in huge sums until their oil fields were destroyed and head finance guy captured.

If the Turks are unhappy with Erdgon, and they have many reasons to be, they theoretically have a democratic platform for removing him (as I mentioned, military intervention has always been a part of their "democratic process", 1923, 1960, 1971, 1980, 1997, 2016). It looks like the coup is dying down now, no more jets buzzing about but people are still in the streets and even the Kurds have joined ?? Absolute madness.
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