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post #2011 of 2692
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Originally Posted by ethanm View Post

False pretenses =/= false flag you mouth breathing Russia Today reading losers.

These types of tactics were used for example during Iranian coup in 50s, so please educate yourself on the subject

anyway there are tons of examples of legit and historically proven false flags and attacks under false pretenses, it's tactic known from perhaps antiquity it is sometimes employed. The fuck Nazis used it against my own country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident so please think before making stupid claims like that again, truly annoying
Edited by wojt - 12/28/15 at 7:35am
post #2012 of 2692
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False pretenses =/= false flag you mouth breathing Russia Today reading losers.

 

Were you this fun at parties before you stopped getting invited to them?

post #2013 of 2692
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Are you two morons done? 

 

On to things that are actually real, SDF are marching on Manbij today. One step closer to Jarablus. 

 

post #2014 of 2692
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You are 100% deluded if you don't think Assad is using chemical weapons. ISIS using mustard gas does not = rebels using chemical weapons.

Alan, I get it but you really should try to be a little more objective. 

WHat?

Where did i mention anything about Assad?
post #2015 of 2692
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Turkey providing sarin or allowing its transit through its borders is not far fetched thinking given their behavior and goals in this conflict. They obviously want to see Assad toppled- downed several Syrian jets, bomb Kurds fighting ISIS in Syria and very obviously buy oil from ISIS. It's not past them do something like that. Assad had ZERO incentive to use gas back then it was at verge of USA's intervention and Assad's back wasn't against the wall, rebels had every reason to use gas and blame it on Assad. IMO it's most likely a false flag either by rebels or Turkey to drag USA into a war. Similar false flag operation was used as an excuse to topple Saddam- and worked.


100%.

The weapons go through Turkey.
The fighters pass through Turkey.
The political support for anti-assad camp comes from Turkey.
Oil goes to Turkey.
Money comes and goes through Turkey.

Yet its somehow a ridiculous conspiracy theory to say Turkey had anything to do with anything.



I think this head in the sand approach to the role that Turkey and Saudi Arabia and Qatar have in islamic terrorism is the only thing thats ridiculous...
post #2016 of 2692
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Holy shit, Dubai.

 

post #2017 of 2692
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post #2018 of 2692
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I think this head in the sand approach to the role that Turkey and Saudi Arabia and Qatar have in islamic terrorism is the only thing thats ridiculous...

There are people in Turkey who also believe in this conspiracy

 

"CHP deputies Eren Erdem and Ali Şeker held a press conference in İstanbul on Wednesday in which they claimed the investigation into allegations regarding Turkey's involvement in the procurement of sarin gas which was used in the chemical attack on a civil population and delivered to the terrorist Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) to enable the attack was derailed."

 

CHP deputy Şeker spoke after Erdem, pointing out that the government misled the public on the issue by asserting that sarin was provided by Russia. The purpose was to create the perception that, according to Şeker, “Assad killed his people with sarin and that requires a US military intervention in Syria.”

 

http://www.todayszaman.com/national_chp-deputies-govt-rejects-probe-into-turkeys-role-in-syrian-chemical-attack_402180.html

 

 

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 In the last three years, for example, he has penned pieces alleging the George W Bush administration trained Iranian militants in Nevada

"At a rally in Paris last Sunday, former Republican presidential candidate and House Speaker Newt Gingrich expressed his support for the MEK, an Iranian opposition group considered a terrorist organization by the U.S. State Department."

 

"Last month, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit ruled that it will order the MEK off the State Department's list of foreign terrorist organizations if the Department doesn't makes a decision to keep or remove the terrorist designation within the next four months. MEK supporters in the U.S. have for years called for the group to be delisted, and have been very successful recruiting high-level former government officials from both parties to their cause. Earlier this year, the Treasury Department sent subpoenas to speaking firms that represent several of the MEK's big backers. Many of these former officials have received tens of thousands of dollars in exchange for their appearances at pro-MEK events, and an Obama administration official told NBC in March that the probe "is about finding out where the money is coming from."

 

This was back in 2012. MEK successfully paid enough people to get off the terrorist list.

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 Unrealistic conclusions. Why would the Saudis support a man who wanted to overthrow the Saudi monarchy? Why, if US support for Pakistan was part of the bargain, did US-Pakistani relations deteriorate in the years after the raid? If the US and Pakistan were co-operating, was a staged raid really the simplest possible way to ensure that Bin Laden was killed?

 

Easy question but no simple answers. I still find it hard to believe that a major mission was carried out in Abbotabad close to Pak Academy without any kind of response.

post #2019 of 2692
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post #2020 of 2692
They might find Russia to be an eager supporter.
post #2021 of 2692
Saudi executed a leading shiite political opponent and just broke diplomatic ties with iran after protesters stormed its embassy.

Lots of tension and very aggressive speeches throughout the middle east
post #2022 of 2692
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Saudi executed a leading shiite political opponent and just broke diplomatic ties with iran after protesters stormed its embassy.

Lots of tension and very aggressive speeches throughout the middle east

Washington is celebrating , they are salivating at the prospects of large proxy war and all the hardware they are going to sell to the participants. That will make a lot of rich people in US richer, fuck the rest ...
Can't wait to see it.
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Also, Erodgan using Hitler's Germany as a model for his vision of Turkey: http://www.todayszaman.com/national_erdogan-says-presidential-system-with-unitary-state-possible-just-like-hitler-germany_408487.html

That got even better when I 2 minutes later read that Israel and Turkey are improving relations.
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That got even better when I 2 minutes later read that Israel and Turkey are improving relations.

I am sure some of that Syrian oil that Turkey is getting from ISIS is going to Israel.
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So after the Saudi embassy was attacked in Iran, Saudis expelled Iranian ambassadors. Bahrain, Sudan, and UAE started cutting diplomatic ties with Iran, and Egypt supports Saudis move but doesn't sever relations (but there's no ambassador to begin with).

on Monday, two Sunni mosques in Iraq were bombed and an imam killed.

Nimr family members denounce attacks on Saudi embassy.
Edited by the shah - 1/4/16 at 5:31am
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