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post #1921 of 2698
none of the above countries had internal power struggles and were largely united/monolithic societies, also different cultural backgrounds
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the mid east gets carpet bombed regardless of whether idiot extremists do anything in paris or elsewhere. iraq is flattened although in large part due to crumbling infrastructure but i mean operation shock and awe wasn't exactly meant to take care of civilian structures. and back in 2011 libya was demolished from the sea.

meanwhile Saudi voters elected 20 women for local government seats in the smallest incremental shift toward something

This has been something that puzzled me. America had the ability to revitalize Japan after WW2 alone with no help and the same with Germany with the help of other allied forces. Same thing with South Korea. What happened between the 1950s and now that we completely lost the ability to properly rebuild a country after the war was over?


How old are you? Surely you must remember the assurances of the Bush admin. that the Iraqis would rebuild their own country and turn it into the democratic showpiece of the Middle east

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This has been something that puzzled me. America had the ability to revitalize Japan after WW2 alone with no help and the same with Germany with the help of other allied forces. Same thing with South Korea. What happened between the 1950s and now that we completely lost the ability to properly rebuild a country after the war was over?

The biggest difference is that they wanted to.

What if any effort has been made in libya? They bombed the shit out of it to get rid of qaddafi then left it for dead in the hands of isis.

In iraq bush went in under fabricated pretenses, allied with retarded monarchies to get rid of a dictator hoping that the resulting sunni shia conflict would redraw the middle east, and we see the ramifications today.

Check out the maps of the neocon think tanks about redrawing iraq and syria and all and compare to what happening now.



There is no interest in the west in seeing a modern united arab entity. The natural tendency of the arab people will be to help palestinians against israel. And it will be to use their resources including oil. And noone wants to see that.

Not that the US couldve so easily done it even if they wanted to. Arabs will be arabs after all
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Arabs will be arabs after all

 

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Hahaha im gonna steal that one
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There is no interest in the west in seeing a modern united arab entity. The natural tendency of the arab people will be to help palestinians against israel. And it will be to use their resources including oil. And noone wants to see that.

Isn't this whole blood-for-oil thing a little obsolete? The amount of oil the US imports has plummeted. And what we do import, only 16% is from the Persian Gulf. Using this logic, we'd be invading and/or trying to destabilize Canada, if anything.
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The biggest difference is that they wanted to.

What if any effort has been made in libya? They bombed the shit out of it to get rid of qaddafi then left it for dead in the hands of isis.

In iraq bush went in under fabricated pretenses, allied with retarded monarchies to get rid of a dictator hoping that the resulting sunni shia conflict would redraw the middle east, and we see the ramifications today.

Check out the maps of the neocon think tanks about redrawing iraq and syria and all and compare to what happening now.



There is no interest in the west in seeing a modern united arab entity. The natural tendency of the arab people will be to help palestinians against israel. And it will be to use their resources including oil. And noone wants to see that.

Not that the US couldve so easily done it even if they wanted to. Arabs will be arabs after all

Did you really not only basicslly say blame bush but also said he fabricated the war? This is one of my favorite conspiracy theorists because it's so easy to disprove using simple logic. Was bush responsible for 9/11 too?
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Did you really not only basicslly say blame bush but also said he fabricated the war? This is one of my favorite conspiracy theorists because it's so easy to disprove using simple logic. Was bush responsible for 9/11 too?

What? Euh Bush declared the war on Iraq saying it had WMDs. The UN commission was screaming they didnt. He invaded Iraq and guess what they didnt. Yes, ridiculous conspiracy theory.

What does the Iraq war have to do with 9/11 and where did you see me refer to 9/11
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What? Euh Bush declared the war on Iraq saying it had WMDs. The UN commission was screaming they didnt. He invaded Iraq and guess what they didnt. Yes, ridiculous conspiracy theory.

What does the Iraq war have to do with 9/11 and where did you see me refer to 9/11

Don't you think if it wasn't just bad intelligence and a conspiracy to invade Iraq they could simply plant WMDs in Iraq and go see see we were correct instead of invading and then admitting they were wrong later?
post #1930 of 2698
Yeah it was just an oopsie.

Funny how the un committee and the un security council all looked at the evidence and actually inspected and the council didnt pass a resolution to attack irak and the evidence just convinced the us and its closest allies.

And funny how that war just happened to line up exactly with what the bush team and ideologues behind him had talked about in terms of middle east plans.

Bush just saw a bunch of satellite pics and got overly excited, thats it.
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There is also substantial evidence that deposing Saddam was on the to-do list before 9/11. 

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There was also substantial push from another country in the region who had great interest in the removal of saddam ...
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There is also substantial evidence that deposing Saddam was on the to-do list before 9/11. 

Was there any reasoning in the evidence as to why overthrowing saddam would have been preferential for the US?
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There was also substantial push from another country in the region who had great interest in the removal of saddam ...

you think the saudis regret that decision?
post #1935 of 2698
No, saddam had previously launched rockets toward Israel (shahab 3 garbage that fell in the deserts) but supposedly was preparing chemical warheads after practicing on the Kurds and Iran. He was also compensating the families of Palestinian suicide bombers.
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