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Also now the UK parliament voted to begin airstrikes in Syria.
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The shah such things cant be from elements of the regime without the leadership approval.

You dont send tons of weapons and 1000s of fighters and buy tons of oil through a few corrupt officers or politicians.

Turkey does this because its has western cover in keeping isis strong enough to resist but not strong enough to pose a threat to gulf regimes until they get the right price or alternative that suits them.

If you listen to what all that axis says, its clear that their enemy here is russia-syria and a victory by those against isis would be disastrous for them.

It wouldnt lead to world war 1 because countrie such as russia and the us have always done it this way. Turkey gives support to sunnis and iran to the other side and they all have an unwritten agreement to duke it out there. Havent seen iran and turkey at war but they sure are battling it out in syria

We lived it 15 years in lebanon. The one thing that crossed the line was shooting the russian plane, which prompted this russian reaction.

But everyone has been saying this since day one.
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here's the thing, alan, i don't think there's any doubt of involvement from elements within the turkish regime and/or military. i just can't fathom it being the active policy of the leadership as a primary funder of IS. that would lead to WW I all over again ! The Russian images could be anything and they very well may be blowing up tankers and oil fields, but i haven't seen a picture of Erdogan shaking hands with al Baghdadi which is basically how they're trying to make it seem like. If it was such a pressing and urgent matter, why did Russia wait until this very opportunistic moment to act ? It's clear they have their agenda and whatever they say re: Turkey at this point needs to be taken with a mountain of salt. For goodness sake they're occupying a land not far from Turkey and potentially shooting down a passenger plane, running a sham of an olympic event stinking of corruption, ruining the Caspian Sea, falsely accused Georgia of aggressions in the region then took large-scale military action, who is now threatening retaliatory measures against NATO for inviting Montenegro, etc. The point is, this is not an actor that won't gain from shifting a lot of focus away. In fact, if you check out the documentary Find Finn it seems that Syria itself is buying oil from IS and involved in that is the Russian oil firm Stroytransgaz.

Why are you so biased against Russia, You , the most objective of all?
Writing drivel like this that stinks of anti-Moscow bias is doing your holly objectiveness no favors, just discredits your future points.
Don’t hate Olympics , there are lots of men in formfitting clothes on TV how can you not like that?
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What is suspicious now is Turkey establishing a military base in Qatar and visa restrictions between the two countries being lifted to allow free flow.
From gulf news so take it for what it's worth http://gulfnews.com/news/mena/turkey/turkey-to-establish-military-base-in-qatar-1.1630691
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Theyre probably the two closest countries in the middle east in terms of ideology and actual strategy.

It is surprising though to see a gulf country lift any visa restriction.

The military base is a huge step thats bound to make saudis paranoid, somehow i doubt it but you never know.
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closets ? why turkey and not saudi ?

saudis are already freaking out, it wasn't long ago they, along with bahrain and uae, threw a temper tantrum and banished the qatari diplomats for a while
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seems pretty messed up
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Months after the Obama administration declared combat operations over in Afghanistan, the CIA continues to run a shadow war in the eastern part of the country, overseeing an Afghan proxy called the Khost Protection Force, according to local officials, former commanders of that militia and Western advisers.

The highly secretive paramilitary unit has been implicated in civilian killings, torture, questionable detentions, arbitrary arrests and use of excessive force in controversial night raids, abuses that have mostly not been previously disclosed.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/cia-backed-afghan-militias-fight-a-shadow-war/2015/12/02/fe5a0526-913f-11e5-befa-99ceebcbb272_story.html?tid=ss_tw

while down the street
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Pentagon Task Force Spent Nearly $150M on Villas and 3-Star Meals in Afghanistan
https://theintercept.com/2015/12/03/pentagon-task-force-spent-nearly-150m-on-villas-and-3-star-meals-in-afghanistan/

and non-ISIS, non-Bathist Sunnis of Iraq want to open an office in Washington to put their case before the policymakers. All 3 of them , I guess ?
https://english.alarabiya.net/en/perspective/features/2015/12/02/Iraqi-Sunnis-accelerate-push-to-make-their-voices-heard.html
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Beirut pen guy has opened three businesses with the money he received and is now breaking even while employing 16 Syrians in Lebanon. http://on.mash.to/1IFT8fs
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The people who send him money better not travel to brazil etc., they will be broke af within the hour, as people selling all types of shit on the side of the road is the norm.
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closets ? why turkey and not saudi ?

saudis are already freaking out, it wasn't long ago they, along with bahrain and uae, threw a temper tantrum and banished the qatari diplomats for a while

The qatar and saudi wahhabi ways are very different and often at odds with eachother. Qatars ruling family along with erdogan are strongly muslimmbrotherhood leaning which saudi arabia views as a threat to its rule.

In general qatar and turkey encouraged the arab spring and wanted to steer it into their MB islamist lap while saudi arabia is scared of it.

Only place where theyre semi coordinating is syria
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Originally Posted by the shah View Post

closets ? why turkey and not saudi ?

saudis are already freaking out, it wasn't long ago they, along with bahrain and uae, threw a temper tantrum and banished the qatari diplomats for a while

The qatar and saudi wahhabi ways are very different and often at odds with eachother. Qatars ruling family along with erdogan are strongly muslimmbrotherhood leaning which saudi arabia views as a threat to its rule.

In general qatar and turkey encouraged the arab spring and wanted to steer it into their MB islamist lap while saudi arabia is scared of it.

Only place where theyre semi coordinating is syria

what about yemen, qatar just sent 1000 troops there a few months ago
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There are no 3 star restaurants in Afghanistan, what the fuck?
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That's nothing. You guys have no idea how much government agencies commit fraud, waste and abuse.
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what about yemen, qatar just sent 1000 troops there a few months ago

Ah good point forgot about yemen.

Basically they agree on screwing shiites and opposing iran but they fight and compete over who leads the sunnis.

In egypt for example qatar and turkey were behind morsi and saudi supported sisi strongly when he made his move

In libya they are duking it out as wel

In syria each have their own people who often clashed as well.


Qatar and Turkey have an expansionist vision whereby they see a muslim brotherhood type regime that controls all arabs and muslims in the region, and saidi arabia knows it would be the first target of that. They support some salafis and mb whenever they can

Saudi on the other hand seem to want to use salafi groups whenever they can but support mostly local friendly dictators which would be allied to saudi arabia and bought but would not have a global common project for muslims so as to preserve their own regime.
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Cumhuriyet Editor-in-Chief Can Dündar and the daily’s Ankara bureau chief, Erdem Gül, were arrested due to stories published about Turkish intelligence trucks bound for Syria in early 2014, on Nov. 26 in Istanbul.

“We are accused of ‘spying.’ The president said [our action is] ‘treason.’ We are not traitors, spy, or heroes; we are journalists. What we have done here was an act of journalism,” Dündar said before testifying to prosecutors on Nov. 26, in a case that has been denounced by many as an attack against free press.

“Of course, this prosecution will help enlighten how these incidents took place, rather than how we covered this story,” he added.

Meanwhile, the Istanbul Chief Public Prosecutor Office has said the arrest had no connection to press freedom and no rights were violated, in a statement released in response to criticism about the arrest.

It was Dündar himself who announced the decision. “It is an arrest,” he said late on the night of Nov. 26 to those waiting in the court’s corridors, before he said goodbye to his wife, coincidentally on their wedding anniversary, and friends.

“Nothing to feel sorry about; these are medals of honor for us,” he said.

In his testimony, Dündar compared the case to the U.S.’ “Watergate” and “Iran-Contra” scandals, in which journalism played a distinctive role, adding that he believed they had “saved the state from an important mistake” by reporting the story.

“A journalist should report that story if he or she sees the country is in danger,” Gül said before he was arrested.

“My task is to reveal if something is hidden from the people and share it,” he said in his testimony.

His 80-year-old mother, Fatma Gül, who was also there to hear the verdict, could not help her tears.

“I raised my son with honor. I raised him collecting tea and hazelnuts in the fields,” she said.

Dündar and Gül were arrested on charges of collecting and revealing secret documents for espionage and supporting an armed terrorist organization (but not being a member) as the accusations were based on reports in Cumhuriyet regarding Syria-bound trucks sent by the National Intelligence Agency (MİT).

Dündar had the byline on the trucks story while Gül wrote a similar story on the issue.

The armed organization mentioned by the prosecutors refers to Fethullahist Terrorist Organization (FETÖ), a term used by prosecutors to define the followers of Fethullah Gülen, a U.S.-based Islamic scholar, who have allegedly created a parallel structure, according to the government.

Footage released by Cumhuriyet on May 29 showed gendarmerie and police officers opening crates in the backs of trucks which contained what the daily described as weapons and ammunition sent to Syria by the MİT in January 2014.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan filed an individual criminal complaint against Dündar and Cumhuriyet on June 2, claiming that the story “included some footage and information that are not factual” while saying the person “who wrote the story will pay a heavy price.”

The criminal complaint, which was filed to the Ankara Chief Prosecutor’s Office to be sent to Istanbul where Cumhuriyet is based, argued that the newspaper “participated in the actions” of Fethullah Gülen, Erdoğan’s erstwhile ally, whose followers are accused of infiltrating the police, the judiciary and the bureaucracy.

“By publishing fabricated footage and information that were leaked to him by the parallel organization, [Dündar] participated in the actions of the organization’s members who searched the trucks and plotted with fabricated evidence to create a perception…that the Republic of Turkey [was] helping terrorist organizations,” the complaint said.

The plaintiff accused Dündar of both “trying to manipulate justice” with fabricated material and “violating confidentiality” by publishing the story. Erdoğan’s lawyer, Muammer Cemaloğlu, also requested the prosecutor launch a public lawsuit following the investigation.

Erdoğan said whether or not the trucks carried weapons was irrelevant, on Nov. 24.

“What difference would it make whether the trucks contained weapons or not?” he asked, adding that the publishing of the story was “betrayal.”

Erdoğan claimed the trucks were set to deliver humanitarian aid to Bayırbucak Turkmens and that the journalists were complicit in “sabotaging” this aid merely to harm his image and the image of the Justice and Development Party (AKP) government.
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