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post #1756 of 2699
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You're advocating a strategy that is guaranteed to create more refugees and tons of civilian deaths.
post #1757 of 2699
This might be interesting, sadly only local (dutch) news sources reporting it.
The dutch intelligence service (which was very effective against the anarchist/communist leaning terrorists years back) has asked the cabinet to create a new law to ban all salafist groups and movements. A majority in parliament supported it, now its up to the prosecutors office to find a way in which such a law would be possible without contradicting the freedom of speech and freedom of religion laws.. In the past groups like the rote armee fraction where banned on grounds of threat to the state, but they didnt have a religious component....

Given the broad support I do suspect this will happen sooner than later..
post #1758 of 2699
how would it work ? you just ask people with beards, hey are you salafi !?

post #1759 of 2699
US committing more special forces (or recycling the ones there) for ops in Iraq and Syria

Meanwhile , a pipe bomb explodes in Istanbul. The Kurds will no doubt be found guilty of this
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Originally Posted by tesseract View Post

. Not only have thousands of foreign fighters passed through Turkey on their way to join Isis, but crude oil from oilfields seized by Isis in north-east Syria has been transported to Turkey for sale, providing much of revenue of the self-declared Islamic State.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/war-with-isis-president-obama-demands-that-turkey-close-stretch-of-frontier-with-syria-a6753836.html
According to Russian media, son in law of Erdogan is Energy minister in Turkish government and son of Erdogan is the head of largest oil company that buys new tankers every 6 months. Russians state that Erdogan family controls illegal oil trade with ISIS . Putin does not like cheap oil, ISIS oil convoys will be destroyed, oil will go up. Putin Likes!
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According to Russian media, son in law of Erdogan is Energy minister in Turkish government and son of Erdogan is the head of largest oil company that buys new tankers every 6 months. Russians state that Erdogan family controls illegal oil trade with ISIS . Putin does not like cheap oil, ISIS oil convoys will be destroyed, oil will go up. Putin Likes!

I think Russia needs to fear the United States if its main concern is dropping oil prices.
post #1762 of 2699
Just watched Frontline's inside Assad's Syria doc on tv, it was interesting to say the least.


It gives a good explanation on the whole SA thing.
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Usually it's a bad idea to invite a journalist to give your side of the story, if it's one that's unpopular with journalists. But it seems to have worked very well for Assad that time.

That being said, the random guy on the street who said "there's no alternative to Assad at this time" was probably the best spokesman for the regime of the bunch.
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I hadn't seen this till just now
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how would it work ? you just ask people with beards, hey are you salafi !?


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Actually, if they ban them on grounds of threat to the state any morsel of money coming from sources that are acknowledged supporters will be blocked, and recipients warned if not outright arrested. In addition all foundations will be immediately disbanded, and members put on the high risk list for the secret service. This means that they can willfully infiltrate these organizations even though they are illegal (remember, due to the former colony Indonesia our services have extensive experience with Islam).

They will be able to continue to do something, but it will become a lot more difficult.

It's going to be interesting to see the backlash from the Saudi when this becomes a reality...
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Briefing by Russians on Turkish aid and trading of oil with terrorists. Couldnt find the whole video in english.

Turkey’s leadership, including President Erdogan and his family, is involved in illegal oil trade with Islamic State militants, says the Russian Defense Ministry, stressing that Turkey is the final destination for oil smuggled from Syria and Iraq.
The Russian Defense Ministry held a major briefing on new findings concerning IS funding in Moscow on Wednesday.

According to Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov, Russia is aware of three main oil smuggling routes to Turkey.

“Today, we are presenting only some of the facts that confirm that a whole team of bandits and Turkish elites stealing oil from their neighbors is operating in the region,” Antonov said, adding that this oil “in large quantities” enters the territory of Turkey via “live oil pipelines,” consisting of thousands of oil trucks.

Antonov added that Turkey is the main buyer of smuggled oil coming from Iraq and Syria.

“According to our data, the top political leadership of the country - President Erdogan and his family – is involved in this criminal business.”

However, since the start of Russia’s anti-terrorist operation in Syria on September 30, the income of Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS) militants from illegal oil smuggling has been significantly reduced, the ministry said.

“The income of this terrorist organization was about $3 million per day. After two months of Russian airstrikes their income was about $1.5 million a day,” Lieutenant-General Sergey Rudskoy said.

At the briefing the ministry presented photos of oil trucks, videos of airstrikes on IS oil storage facilities and maps detailing the movement of smuggled oil. More evidence is to be published on the ministry's website in the coming says, Rudskoy said.

The US-led coalition is not bombing IS oil trucks, Rudskoy said.


For the past two months, Russia’s airstrikes hit 32 oil complexes, 11 refineries, 23 oil pumping stations, Rudskoy said, adding that the Russian military had also destroyed 1,080 trucks carrying oil products.

“These [airstrikes] helped reduce the trade of the oil illegally extracted on the Syrian territory by almost 50 percent.”

The past week, 2,000 fighters, 120 tons of ammunition and 250 vehicles have been delivered to Islamic State and Al-Nusra militants from Turkish territory, chief of National Centre for State Defense Control Lt.Gen. Mikhail Mizintsev said.

“According to reliable intelligence reports, the Turkish side has been taking such actions for a long time and on a regular basis. And most importantly, it is not planning to stop them.”

“One thing is clear. The role that Turkey is playing in this area is in many ways destructive and it’s affecting the European security, it’s affecting its neighbors. Ultimately it’s affecting its own society,” Uzi Arad, former head of research at Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency told RT.
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Erdogan shooting that plane down proved to be PR catastrophe for his government, negative media cover and when you scroll comment section of any news outlet it's 'remove them from NATO' coupled with 'never let them into EU'
post #1768 of 2699
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ugh Russia Today. That shit is so pervasive even among leftists in this country. It is pure propaganda.
post #1769 of 2699
it confirms what many people expected anyways, also not long Turkish journalists were arrested after reporting similar story
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/27/middleeast/turkish-journalists-arrested/
Did Russia knew it about it earlier- must have I guess. Timing is pure backlash to shooting of the plane and its obviously to improve image of Russia, but tbh I doubt its false as I have little reason to doubt in light how Turkey behaved in Syria so far- bombing Kurds instead ISIS etc
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Erdogan shooting that plane down proved to be PR catastrophe for his government, negative media cover and when you scroll comment section of any news outlet it's 'remove them from NATO' coupled with 'never let them into EU'

Yet, Merkel is in negotiations with Turkey to give them more of our tax EUR, offer Turks visa-free entry to Schengen (is the old cow mad?) and additionally to take half-a-million of new "Syrian" refugees and redistribute them as she sees fit.
While Turkey is getting rewarded for its actions, the rest of NATO is posturing to show Putin how fucking united we are in our idiocy.
Washington undoubtedly looking favorably to Turkish - ISIS oil trade as it further destroys Putin budget and hurts RU economy.
Poo poo RU is upset at NATO for inviting Montenegro, that is nothing compare to systematically destroying any allies of RU in the middle East (Libya, Iraq, Syria). The problem is now RU has new allies : Iran, Pakistan, & perhaps Lebanon in a near future. Watch as Washington and EU raise rhetoric about these countries representing new Axis of Evil....nod[1].gif
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