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post #1741 of 2692
You guys dont know how our countries are. In lebanon theyvpretty much know almost every terrorist by name and place. The beirut suicide bombers were smuggled from syria.

Whats lacking is the will. The sunni cover by saudi arabia and qatar is needed for every crackdown. Or theyre in the palestinian or syrian refugee camps and they judge its better to observe them than to risk mayhem.

When turkey wants to shut down isis they will. They know all its networks there and all the ways their weapons and supplies get there and the money and oil.

The americans and saudis and turks are still saying its not time to cooperate with russia over isis yet. They fattened the isis goose and now they want the right price for its head. For most of them its still assads head and the others arent willing to pay it yet.
post #1742 of 2692
Hafez assad did the same in lebanon in the 70s. He facilitated the arming of palestinians here and when hell broke loose hes the one who sent his army to crack them down. And he got lebanon in return.

You create a problem that cant be solved without u and you get what you want for it.

This way of thinking is conspiracy theories for u guys but this is just another day here. Acfually the entire history of europe was like that too.
post #1743 of 2692
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Turkey is quickly becoming as pernicious as Saudi. I'm glad I got to see the Ayasofya before Sheikh Erdogan turns it back into a mosque and covers the Christian artwork again. 

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One thing that's really annoying is how much the people there seemed to like Ahmadinejad because of his "tough stance" toward the west (never mind that it was at the expense of his own people...)
post #1745 of 2692
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Originally Posted by ethanm View Post

Turkey is quickly becoming as pernicious as Saudi. I'm glad I got to see the Ayasofya before Sheikh Erdogan turns it back into a mosque and covers the Christian artwork again. 

Merkel and Hollande would probably help him decorate
post #1746 of 2692
And isis spreading in Libya. libya which the west that whines about refugees bombed and then just walked away...

Then theyll whine if they see a libyan in their local train station
post #1747 of 2692
2 days ago masked men cut off heads of 2 Syrian rebels in Jabal Zawiya, north-Syria. @J_N_Violation has horror video. Beheadings happened in Juzif, town controlled by Nusra & Ahrar (green on map). Nearest IS presence 100km. The 2 rebels who were beheaded fought since 2011 against Assad regime. Their names: Hamoud Ali al Abdullah & Khalid Sami Amana. According to the video, they were accused of belonging to rebel group Jamal Marouf, which was destroyed by Nusra (Al-Qaeda) in 2014

post #1748 of 2692
^ what does it mean, Nusra killing off the competition? Seems like these all groups are in huge disarray and regionally everyone do what they want.
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^ what does it mean, Nusra killing off the competition? Seems like these all groups are in huge disarray and regionally everyone do what they want.


It's more complicated than that. Nusra knows that as foreign powers become more involved they are going to become a prime target alongside ISIS. A lot of people have conveniently been ignoring the fact that al-Qa'ida is many thousands strong in Syria but those days are coming to an end. 

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The US move follows increasing international criticism of Turkey for what is seen as its long-term tolerance of, and possible complicity with, Isis and other extreme jihadi groups such as al-Qaeda’s branch in Syria, Jabhat al-Nusra Front, and Ahrar al-Sham. Not only have thousands of foreign fighters passed through Turkey on their way to join Isis, but crude oil from oilfields seized by Isis in north-east Syria has been transported to Turkey for sale, providing much of revenue of the self-declared Islamic State.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/war-with-isis-president-obama-demands-that-turkey-close-stretch-of-frontier-with-syria-a6753836.html
post #1751 of 2692
Funny Turkey hasn't heeded the lesson of Syria - whereby a lot of jihadists that crossed its borders to get to the battlefield (Iraq in Syria's case) stuck around.
post #1752 of 2692
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Funny Turkey hasn't heeded the lesson of Syria - whereby a lot of jihadists that crossed its borders to get to the battlefield (Iraq in Syria's case) stuck around.


If Im correctly interpretation things here Turkey is aligned with the west through its NATO membership, not something they are willing to toss aside at this moment. The leadership however is exhibiting a sympathy toward various groups engaged in the conflict next door as they not only share a certain idiology but see these groups as stepping stones to furthering the interests of Turkey.Machiavellian to say the least

post #1753 of 2692
NATO doesnt mind.

Its members all support the anti-assad camp which would be non existent without what Turkey did.

Even now if turkey stops the flow, russia+ assad finish this in a year.
post #1754 of 2692
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russia+ assad finish this in a year.

Just like Hafez finished the Islamists in Homs? Come on man, you know it doesn't work like that.
post #1755 of 2692
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Just like Hafez finished the Islamists in Homs? Come on man, you know it doesn't work like that.

I often said those radicals will only begin to be eradicated once saudi arabia and qatar are stopped.

However in their current form and degree of control over territory, yes they will be finished in a very reasonable timeframe if theres any serious effort to stop the constant flow of weapons and new jihadists.
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