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post #1546 of 2751
Originally Posted by ethanm View Post

Never said it couldn't be ISIS. Just that it looked more like AQ. It's a big mistake on their part and maybe a sign that they're giving up on the state thing. Raqqa is going to be pounded over the coming days. 

I know and indeed it is, but I'm sure they don't think so.
post #1547 of 2751
Originally Posted by the shah View Post

CNN decided to get a balanced and fair voice of reason by interviewing Assad who is now using this massively to his advantage, of course. He effectively accused the west of helping foster a chaotic environment by supporting radicals in Syria.

That is a fact and its a damm shame considering the amount of people that have been killed under this sham of fighting terrorism. Its just a matter of time before things get worse in Europe.

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Originally Posted by rhyme View Post

considering the amount of people that have been killed under this sham of fighting terrorism.


You're talking about Asad right? You apologist scum. 

post #1549 of 2751
Originally Posted by ethanm View Post


You're talking about Asad right? You apologist scum.


Nope. Talking about cunts like you who openly support terrorists.

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Originally Posted by rhyme View Post


Nope. Talking about cunts like you who openly support terrorists.

Name them.

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Zarif in august:

“There is a consensus that violent extremist groups benefited from the havoc that erupted during the US invasion in Iraq. An ISIS-like group that is nourished by collapse and chaos, showed progress thanks to the instability and chaos that happened following the US attack on Iraq in 2003," this is according to an article penned by the Iranian foreign minister and published in the Tuesday edition of the Turkish Cumhuriyet daily, Turkey's Daily Sabah reported.
Zarif further took swipe at Turkish and US interventionist policies towards Syria and said, "The so-called Greater Middle East Initiative, which aims at socially and politically designing Middle Eastern societies with the 'democracy' excuse, theoretically prepared the framework for military interventions."
Iranian foreign minister also said that such policies will one day backfire and extremism will come back to haunt its creators.
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Assad in 2013

BEIRUT — Syrian President Bashar Assad warned in a television interview Wednesday that the war against his government risked spreading to neighboring Jordan and predicted that rebel fighters, whom he described as Islamic extremists, would later take their violence to the West.

Speaking on the pro-government Syrian channel Al Ikhbariya, Assad presented himself as a staunch patriot who was fending off meddling by the West. He appeared to be wooing Syrians wearied by the country's bloodshed, disillusioned by all sides and desperate for Syria's conflict to end.

Assad charged that the United States and Europe were supporting his Islamist opponents. He said the alleged support was cynical and would come back to haunt them. The United States and its European allies have given limited support to Syrian rebels, but have been wary of providing aid, especially arms, that could fall into the hands of Islamist extremists.

"The West uses any element, even if it is against them elsewhere," Assad said. "They fight Al Qaeda in Mali and they support it in Syria and in Libya, but the West doesn't know — or perhaps it knows but is not now aware — that this terrorism will return to it and they will pay the price later in Europe and the United States."
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Originally Posted by alan View Post

that this terrorism will return to it and they will pay the price later in Europe and the United States.


I guess he wasn't aware of this in the late 2000s when he was feeding these people to AQI. Assad is part of the problem.

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@AbuJamajem: Ahrar al-Sham condemns Paris attacks, emphasizes that the Assad regime is at the root of this terror: https://t.co/kK7HYQnEB2

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Thread Starter 

Where is their condemnation of the Charlie Hebdo killings? Oh right, that was their ally. 

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Hollande sits at the gulf arab summit with saudi arabia the mother of all takfiri funding snd qatar who sends weapons to all of them.

Then he shouts night and daybthat he wants assad gone and sends weapons himself to his opposition

Assad whos the only one on the ground fighting isis in syria.

Now 150 french people are killed.

Hollande will probably lead a solidarity march soon and everyone will cheer while . He should be lynched by the french mobs
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"The obsession some have with earmarking Western imperialism as the root of all global evil is paradoxically soft-racist. By putting the blame for the volatility of the Muslim world at large on the neocolonialist manoeuvres of the West, and not on the corrupt leaderships or religious fault-lines conspicuously manifested by the locals, these opinion-makers exhibit twenty-first century Orientalism, implicitly asserting that Muslims would readily act against their self-interest should a Western power sufficiently wish so.
ISIS’ statement claiming responsibility for the Paris attacks said they targeted “the capital of prostitution and obscenity, the carrier of the banner of the Cross in Europe”. There is no mention of ‘Western colonialism’, ‘economic disparity’ or ‘social alienation’, which some commentators keep asserting as the main motivation behind jihadists’ actions.
The statement is Exhibit A of jihadism, an expansionist terror drive carried forward by radical Islamists that seeks to destroy pluralism by holding a literal version of Islam as the sole rulebook for not just Muslims, but the entire world. Jihadism nourishes itself by painting Muslims as perpetual victims of the West’s actions – an idea perpetuated by regressive sections of the left and Islamists alike."
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Originally Posted by Eason View Post

"The obsession some have with earmarking Western imperialism as the root of all global evil is paradoxically soft-racist."


This is something you will never get the anti-imperialism crowd to understand. Their lives depend on denying agency to Arabs. It's sad that a lot of it comes from expat Arabs like Said, Massad, Khalidi etc. 

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Qatar and Saudi Arabia have ignited a "time bomb" by funding the global spread of radical Islam, according to a former commander of British forces in Iraq.
General Jonathan Shaw, who retired as Assistant Chief of the Defence Staff in 2012, told The Telegraph that Qatar and Saudi Arabia were primarily responsible for the rise of the extremist Islam that inspires Isil terrorists.
The two Gulf states have spent billions of dollars on promoting a militant and proselytising interpretation of their faith derived from Abdul Wahhab, an eighteenth century scholar, and based on the Salaf, or the original followers of the Prophet.
But the rulers of both countries are now more threatened by their creation than Britain or America, argued Gen Shaw. The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil) has vowed to topple the Qatari and Saudi regimes, viewing both as corrupt outposts of decadence and sin.
So Qatar and Saudi Arabia have every reason to lead an ideological struggle against Isil, said Gen Shaw. On its own, he added, the West's military offensive against the terrorist movement was likely to prove "futile".

"This is a time bomb that, under the guise of education, Wahhabi Salafism is igniting under the world really. And it is funded by Saudi and Qatari money and that must stop,
" said Gen Shaw. "And the question then is 'does bombing people over there really tackle that?' I don't think so. I'd far rather see a much stronger handle on the ideological battle rather than the physical battle."
Gen Shaw, 57, retired from the Army after a 31-year career that saw him lead a platoon of paratroopers in the Battle of Mount Longdon, the bloodiest clash of the Falklands War, and oversee Britain's withdrawal from Basra in southern Iraq. As Assistant Chief of the Defence Staff, he specialised in counter-terrorism and security policy.
All this has made him acutely aware of the limitations of what force can achieve. He believes that Isil can only be defeated by political and ideological means. Western air strikes in Iraq and Syria will, in his view, achieve nothing except temporary tactical success.
When it comes to waging that ideological struggle, Qatar and Saudi Arabia are pivotal. "The root problem is that those two countries are the only two countries in the world where Wahhabi Salafism is the state religion – and Isil is a violent expression of Wahabist Salafism," said Gen Shaw.
"The primary threat of Isil is not to us in the West: it's to Saudi Arabia and also to the other Gulf states."
Both Qatar and Saudi Arabia are playing small parts in the air campaign against Isil, contributing two and four jet fighters respectively. But Gen Shaw said they "should be in the forefront" and, above all, leading an ideological counter-revolution against Isil.
The British and American air campaign would not "stop the support of people in Qatar and Saudi Arabia for this kind of activity," added Gen Shaw. "It's missing the point. It might, if it works, solve the immediate tactical problem. It's not addressing the fundamental problem of Wahhabi Salafism as a culture and a creed, which has got out of control and is still the ideological basis of Isil – and which will continue to exist even if we stop their advance in Iraq."
Gen Shaw said the Government's approach towards Isil was fundamentally mistaken. "People are still treating this as a military problem, which is in my view to misconceive the problem," he added. "My systemic worry is that we're repeating the mistakes that we made in Afghanistan and Iraq: putting the military far too up front and centre in our response to the threat without addressing the fundamental political question and the causes. The danger is that yet again we're taking a symptomatic treatment not a causal one."
Gen Shaw said that Isil's main focus was on toppling the established regimes of the Middle East, not striking Western targets. He questioned whether Isil's murder of two British and two American hostages was sufficient justification for the campaign.
"Isil made their big incursion into Iraq in June. The West did nothing, despite thousands of people being killed," said Gen Shaw. "What's changed in the last month? Beheadings on TV of Westerners. And that has led us to suddenly change our policy and suddenly launch air attacks."
He believes that Isil might have murdered the hostages in order to provoke a military response from America and Britain which could then be portrayed as a Christian assault on Islam. "What possible advantage is there to Isil of bringing us into this campaign?" asked Gen Shaw. "Answer: to unite the Muslim world against the Christian world. We played into their hands. We've done what they wanted us to do."
However, Gen Shaw's analysis is open to question. Even if they had the will, the rulers of Saudi Arabia and Qatar may be incapable of leading an ideological struggle against Isil. King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia is 91 and only sporadically active. His chosen successor, Crown Prince Salman, is 78 and already believed to be declining into senility. The kingdom's ossified leadership is likely to be paralysed for the foreseeable future.
Meanwhile in Qatar, the new Emir, Tamim bin Hamad al-Thani, is only 34 in a region that respects age. Whether this Harrow and Sandhurst-educated ruler has the personal authority to lead an ideological counter-revolution within Islam is doubtful.
Given that Saudi Arabia and Qatar almost certainly cannot do what Gen Shaw believes to be necessary, the West may have no option except to take military action against Isil with the aim of reducing, if not eliminating, the terrorist threat.
"I just have a horrible feeling that we're making things worse. We're entering into this in a way we just don't understand," said Gen Shaw. "I'm against the principle of us attacking without a clear political plan."
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And who owns half of London.......
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