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What's insulting about saying Umar had a butt disease that made him gay? 

I haven't followed enough of your posts to know if this is sarcasm or not. If it isn't, go fuck yourself, fuckface.
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I haven't followed enough of your posts to know if this is sarcasm or not. If it isn't, go fuck yourself, fuckface.


Okay, some backstory first. Before Muhammad died he is purported in the Hadith to have appointed Ali ibn abi Talib, who was Muhammad's cousin and married Muhammad's daughter and is thus part of Ahl al-Beyt (People of the House), as his successor as the leader of the Muslims. However, Abu Bakr was elected Caliph by the other companions. This is the beginning of the Shia Sunni split. Abu Bakr was then succeeded by Umar and then Uthman and then Ali finally took his place but was assassinated. Anyway, the point is that Shias are generally not fans of Umar for his part in denying Ali his right. Which brings us to this:

 

 


Edited by ethanm - 1/23/15 at 12:43pm
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This type of vitriol is extreme though and this guy is criticized by basically everyone in the world including, as Shah pointed out, Ayatollah Khamenei. 

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perhaps a typo but i think you meant Ali was married to Fatimah, who would be the daughter of the prophet.

and for others who may be interested, the term shia comes from Shīʻatu ʻAlī (شيعة علي) = followers of Ali. The Hadith (story) referred to here is that of ghadir (pond) khumm, which Sunnis don't deny happened either--they just give less importance to its meaning than do the Shi'i. And by many accounts, Ali himself didn't oppose the rule of the caliphs before him, and even agreed to ceasefire during one of later civil wars/strifes for the sake of the community.
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I can recommend some books that would make this thread more accessible if you'd like. 

What would be your top 3? Preferably not the length of War and Peace.
post #156 of 2692
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perhaps a typo but i think you meant Ali was married to Fatimah, who would be the daughter of the prophet.

and for others who may be interested, the term shia comes from Shīʻatu ʻAlī (شيعة علي) = followers of Ali. The Hadith (story) referred to here is that of ghadir (pond) khumm, which Sunnis don't deny happened either--they just give less importance to its meaning than do the Shi'i. And by many accounts, Ali himself didn't oppose the rule of the caliphs before him, and even agreed to ceasefire during one of later civil wars/strifes for the sake of the community.


Thanks for the correction. Long day. Cousin/son-in-law. Deen isn't my strongest point. 

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What would be your top 3? Preferably not the length of War and Peace.

 

Hm, Righteous Victims by Benny Morris, Asad by Patrick Seale, and The Looming Tower by a guy whose name I can't remember. But there are lots and lots and lots of other good books out there. Triumph of the Martyrs is good for getting a background in the Iraqi insurgency but it's not top 3 because Nir Rosen is a bit out there. Demystifying Syria but you need some background before that.  Syria's Uprising and the Fracturing of the Levant by Emile Hokayem is a good overview of the pre-IS landscape of the Syrian Civil War. 

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This is a pretty great article about Arab cultural traits that lead to ineffective militaries: http://www.meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars

 

And here is a recent article talking about the collapse of the ISF. Note the bit about the NCO corps. I can tell you from experience that a strong NCO corps is the absolute most important piece of a military. 

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/11211172/Why-Sandhurst-in-the-Sand-hasnt-worked-in-Iraq.html

post #159 of 2692
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$10 says ISIS is going to be completely cleared from Kobane by week's end. 

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And has dementia.

Interesting (bad) things coming soon.

btw shah I remember you being Iranian? Kind of OT but I'm thinking of going to Iran this Christmas 2015. Would you recommend it?

Don't be such a pessimist. Unquestioned absolute authority of a geo- politically critical nation in the hands of a senile old man = The Lulz Train.
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Is this Sasha Baron Cohen ? Anyway , this is hillarious, thanks.
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$10 says ISIS is going to be completely cleared from Kobane by week's end. 


and by week's end I meant this week. Kobane could be prove to be a key entry point for the American proxy army to assault liberate ar-Raqqah. 

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Control With what degree of significance ?
Kurdish forces now control at least 90% , supposedly only 140 fighters remain and most are 18 or younger
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Control With what degree of significance ?
Kurdish forces now control at least 90% , supposedly only 140 fighters remain and most are 18 or younger


Reports seem mixed but it shouldn't take long. Last I saw had YPG/YPJ control at 95% but they have also cleared some of the villages to the Southwest. Just a matter of time before refugees make their way back into the city. I imagine lines to sign up for the YPG/J are going to be fairly long. 

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:rotflmao:

 

Since Shami [Witness] was arrested: We lost Sinjar We lost Mosul countryside We lost Kobane

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