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Why would you find it hard to believe?

Historically kurds are infamous for it. Not to judge present people by the past nor a community by the actions of some.

They are persecuted in all the region today and have a western friendly approach but that isnt mutually exclusive with committing mistakes of their own.


As for sources, we get our news from the christian church here, hardly a "chauvinist arab" entity. Heres an article that covers some general regulations and such but doesnt go into the details that we get from private sources



استنكر عدد من الكنائس والمؤسسات المدنية والأحزاب السياسية في منطقة الحسكة، القوانين والقرارات التي تصدرها الإدارة الذاتية للمناطق ذات الغالبية الكردية شمال البلاد، وخاصة فيما يتعلق منها بإدارة أموال المهاجرين والتجنيد الاجباري. وأكدت الكنائس في بيان لها نشر الأربعاء أن المؤسسات الإدارية المختلفة التي تشكلت تقوم بإصدار قوانين وأنظمة بعضها غير مدروس بشكل جيد مما يؤدي إلى إيذاء بعض المكونات الاجتماعية والقومية. وبخصوص قانون إدارة أموال المهاجرين، قال البيان "إن محاولة تشريع تشكيل لجنة مسماة (القيّم على أموال الغائبين والمهاجرين) محاولة للاستيلاء على أملاك الغير بحجة استثمارها لصالح المجتمع والمتضررين". وقالت ايضاً إن هذا القانون يشكل خطراً ديموغرافياً على المسيحيين، بإحداث خلل ديموغرافي في السكن والتمليك أو محاولة الاستيلاء على الأراضي الزراعية والعقارات في الريف، والذي تمثل فيه ملكية المسيحيين ما يقارب 35 في المائة، وهذا يشكل ترهيباً لمن تبقى ولمن هاجر وتخويفه من العودة إلى الوطن”.
وحذر البيان من أن هذه الممارسات ستؤدي إلى نشوء الفتن الطائفية بين مختلف إثنيات المجتمع لذلك "نعتبر أنفسنا مدّعيين شرعاً وقانوناً أمام المحاكم ودوائر القضاء المحلي والدولي للمطالبة بإلغاء هذا القانون". تابعونا على الفيسبوك: وبخصوص قوانين التجنيد الإجباري في صفوف القوات التابعة للإدارة الكردية الذاتية، أكد البيان أنه لا يجوز إجبار المواطن على خدمة التجنيد الإجباري في وطنه ودولته لجهتين مختلفتين، مشيراً بذلك إلى الميليشيات الكردية والنظام. كما رفض البيان التدخل في شؤون المدارس الخاصة بالكنائس الموجودة في منطقة الجزيرة، معتبراً أن هذا التدخل يعرقل سير العملية التربوية والتعليمية.
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This hardly sounds like abuse. Reports of YPG "abuses" have been largely overblown. They are without a doubt the most ethical force in the region. 

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This hardly sounds like abuse. Reports of YPG "abuses" have been largely overblown. They are without
a doubt the most ethical force in the region. 

I said mistreated and mistakes. Which are soft words. And i wasnt even referring to the article.

Theyre taking the lands and properties of christians that fled from isis. They stormed christian schools and kept them from teaching christian religion. Already some got beat up/jailed for protesting.

But hey christians should be thankful theyre not getting beheaded.
post #1384 of 2692
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But hey christians should be thankful theyre not getting beheaded.

 

That's something at least :confused:

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post #1387 of 2692
Clearly a zionist plot to poison us ^
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Don't worry when Hizbullah takes over the state the IRGC will come and clean up all of your garbage. 

post #1389 of 2692
I wouldnt mind a dictatorship right now.

This pluralistic democracy thing isnt quite working out these days


(btw the garbage issue in lebanon is mainly saudi-hariri's fault. In case someone is interested:

During the syrian occupation (when hariri and sunnis were quite happy to share the spoils), Hariri Sr back then gave all garbage pickup contracts to a company called Sukleen, which he and his people owned, at a huge markup which made his party an estimated 20 billion dollars, on top of the company profit.

This company's contract ended in 2010 and Hariri jr (now anti-syria) made a big fuss and some illegal moves to renew. Now all this time Sukleen wasnt even doing its contracted job fully and properly.

Now the contract ends again and the landfill was projected to close two years ago yet Hariri in the government blocked any attempts to secure an alternative to the landfill. Now theyre tryng to use the crisis which they caused to renew Sukleens contract. Especially now since Hariris party is very short on money since saudis havent been giving them much recently.


And of course us being the wonderful society that we are, each partys member hides behind his sect and politics so sunnis are now swimming in garbage yet they still defend Hariri.


There are other files where others are at fault, but thats the garbage issue here.
Edited by alan - 10/25/15 at 6:58am
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20 billion from carting? Tony Soprano eat your heart out!
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20 billion from carting? Tony Soprano eat your heart out!


Corruption is the number 1 problem in most ME governments. People like to talk about religion and sectarian stuff but the real cause of these failed states is rampant, unchecked, and shameless corruption. 

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20 billion from carting? Tony Soprano eat your heart out!

Hahaha yes. Theres a clause in the contract that garbage should be processed and it never was it was just dumped in landfills. So every year the money that was paid for processing was paid for notbing. This is in addition to the garbage pickup and dumping being overpriced in the first place.
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the money that was paid for processing was paid for nothing.

 

Oh, you know it went somewhere. Yachts capable of traversing the Mediterranean are expensive. 

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Corruption is the number 1 problem in most ME governments. People like to talk about religion and sectarian stuff but the real cause of these failed states is rampant, unchecked, and shameless corruption. 

That and tribalism, which often is the reason why corruption goes unprotested.



Theres a funny incident when hariri sr died. The inheritance tax on his kids would have been a billion or two. The government passes a law FOR ONE DAY canceling the inheritance tax so hariri can squeeze by.

On the shiite end, berri the head of amal is the head of corruption and the master of it. He fills rhe state with useless employees that do nothing. He also runs the custom where you import goods and pay his people and billions are lost on the state.

The thing in lebanon thougb is that we do vote freely regardless of some flawed laws. We chose those guys because shiites think "hes a crook but hes our crook" and sunnis think the same. And were all getting screwed.
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Don't answer if it's too personal, but have you thought about leaving? 

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