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This is a quarterfinal match in the US Open, currently being played in Philadelphia. It is so far, and likely to remain, the match of the tournament. Both women are Egyptian and former world junior champions. The one in blue, Raneem El-Welily is currently world number 1, having passed the women who held that title for ten years in the rankings this past summer. She is the most gifted female athlete I have ever seen and watching her is like watching a panther - graceful, easy movements look slow and lazy, disguising tremendous speed and power. Nothing she does looks hard. The girl in white, Nour El Tayeb, went to college while on the pro tour sacrificing a little bit of training and match play. She is now full time and has quickly moved into the top ten. She is also, in my opinion one of the best looking women on the pro tour. They happen to be good friends and are both extremely nice, sweet people (and married to young Egyptian pros themselves).
Edited by dopey - 10/15/15 at 2:59pm
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This is pretty funny:


“There is a 360-degree, not 180-degree, difference between the Islam we defend and what Daesh has on its mind,” he said, using an Arabic acronym for the Islamic State.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/10/15/turkish-prime-minister-there-is-a-360-degree-difference-between-turkish-islam-and-isis/
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Thread Starter 

Davotuglo is a moron. He also said something along the lines of "we have a list of suicide bombers but we can't arrest them until they act." 

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I gave you much more interesting stuff to talk about.
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Originally Posted by Kai View Post

This is pretty funny:


“There is a 360-degree, not 180-degree, difference between the Islam we defend and what Daesh has on its mind,” he said, using an Arabic acronym for the Islamic State.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/10/15/turkish-prime-minister-there-is-a-360-degree-difference-between-turkish-islam-and-isis/

lmao, what a tool
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Serious question - why does Israel get so much shit for the way it treats its Muslims, but China is completely let off the hook? We hear claims from the left that Israel is committing genocide (which in light of the Palestinians' six-fold population increase since the founding of Israel is somewhat hard to take seriously), yet China treats its Muslims far worse.

Is it:
Anti-semitism
The Middle East gets much more media coverage than East China
Israel is small so an easy target for bullying
It's kind of hard to "divest" yourself of holding in Chinese companies

Or some combination of the above.
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probably a combination. i haven't heard "genocide" so much as "apartheid."

it's been going on for a long, long time now with plenty of attempts to broker deals--a (relatively new) country built within existing pseudo-autonomous lands. On the other hand, in China they are just a population existing within the greater empire, if you will.

media coverage is also very slanted. there's plenty going on in burma (up to 1M people displaced forcibly), central african republic (forced conversions for muslims under threat of death), china (ban on halal meats and celebration of religious holidays), kashmir (suicides have reached an all time high because of psychological traumas that rival stories you hear from palestine), to name a few, but those are of little economic interest and probably of little interest/relevance to most people in the US.

and all the while, this issue is is also used by many autocratic regimes in that region to justify or at least obviate scrutiny of their repressive natures (for example, iran has a quds day in support of palistinian freedom) and the rich gulf states are content assembling high-rises, running on black gold letting foreigner investors do as they please and vacationing with multi-million dollar month long stays in hotels that are rendered unusable in paris, london, etc.

US relations are at a relative low with Israel now as well (because obama is a muslim) http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/10/15/us-warning-of-excessive-force-draws-sharp-response-from-israeli-politicians.html

* But the arab-israeli conflict is so passé for this thread
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Originally Posted by FLMountainMan View Post

Serious question - why does Israel get so much shit for the way it treats its Muslims, but China is completely let off the hook? We hear claims from the left that Israel is committing genocide (which in light of the Palestinians' six-fold population increase since the founding of Israel is somewhat hard to take seriously), yet China treats its Muslims far worse.

Is it:
Anti-semitism
The Middle East gets much more media coverage than East China
Israel is small so an easy target for bullying
It's kind of hard to "divest" yourself of holding in Chinese companies

Or some combination of the above.


To add to Shah's post, China isn't doing it with US made weapons. To which you may ask, well, then why don't we hear about Saudi flattening Yemen? The simple answer to that is Yemen is poor and Saudi is sensitive soooo we can't upset our favorite Wahhabis!

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To add to Shah's post, China isn't doing it with US made weapons.

That doesn't make any sense.
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That doesn't make any sense.


Um, what? It makes a lot of sense. 

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Originally Posted by ethanm View Post

Um, what? It makes a lot of sense. 

US weapons are Made in China ;-)
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How does israel get shit? It is expanding and settling people outside of its internationally recognized borders and is basically trying to demographically change jerusalem and all land it has invaded.

There are numerous UN resolutions that call for its withdrawal from Syria and palestinian lands and the return of palestinian refugees to the homes they own.

Yet those resolutions are never applied nor talked about.

It also has a nuclear arsenal that everyone chooses to turn a blind eye on.

It doesnt get any shit at all.

All countries that have done any of this have been militarily attacked or have sanctions imposed on them.
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How does israel get shit?


There is a lot of anti-Israel sentiment from the left in the US.

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How does israel get shit? It is expanding and settling people outside of its internationally recognized borders and is basically trying to demographically change jerusalem and all land it has invaded.

So you feel equally as scornful of, say, England, Ireland, Greece, Germany, Spain, Portugal, Mexico, China, Samoa, and every third world Muslim country?
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There are numerous UN resolutions that call for its withdrawal from Syria and palestinian lands and the return of palestinian refugees to the homes they own.

In other news, lots of old men shout at clouds, so we should hate clouds.
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Yet those resolutions are never applied nor talked about.

Many would argue they are given the very consideration that they deserve.
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It also has a nuclear arsenal that everyone chooses to turn a blind eye on.

Can you elaborate on this? What exactly would be a satisfactory level of attention to be paid to Israel's nuclear capability?
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It doesnt get any shit at all.

Aside from the UN resolutions you mentioned above, widespread boycott/divestiture campaigns against Israeli companies, near-constant terrorist attacks, an invasion every couple of decades, and the universal scorn of academia. Aside from that, yeah, they don't get any shit at all.
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All countries that have done any of this have been militarily attacked or have sanctions imposed on them.

Done what? Had a nuclear arsenal? In any event, Israel has been attacked, repeatedly, and has economic sanctions, from both the private and public sectors, imposed upon it.
Edited by FLMountainMan - 10/16/15 at 11:28am
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