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http://www.irna.ir/en/News/81783236/


http://youtu.be/wmoRq1GgBmw
"IRGC ready to defend Muslim dignity." 

Rouhani talking about "the language of power." 

http://youtu.be/wmoRq1GgBmw
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Would any of you Assad supporters like to see pictures of children who died of torture in Assad's prisons? 

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Still better than ISIS. shog[1].gif Them historic arches. frown.gif
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Here is some feel good fun: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/06/world/cautiously-iranians-reclaim-public-spaces-and-liberties-long-suppressed.html?_r=1&referer=http://m.facebook.com

 

"...the state seems to be retreating from many areas.

 

Analysts say that is the work of officials appointed by Mr. Rouhani, who have taken up high-level positions in the Culture and Interior Ministries."

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Would any of you Assad supporters like to see pictures of children who died of torture in Assad's prisons? 

I still pretty much prefer him to the alternative, at least he protected the Christians and country wasn't war torn. All dictators are oppressing the opposition to a some extent. Saudi Arabia is to me 10x worse than Assad ever was, but nobody wants to remove them. And even if someone did, what's next? Iraq and Libya are not better off now, sorry. I hope Assad and Russia prevails it would probably best for most of the inhabitants of that region.
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I still pretty much prefer him to the alternative. All dictators are oppressing the opposition to a some extent. Saudi Arabia is to me 10x worse than Assad ever was, but nobody wants to remove them. And even if someone did, what's next? Iraq and Libya are not better off now, sorry. I hope Assad and Russia prevails.


Assad is a dipshit. Ahrar ashSham are dipshits. Jabhat anNusra are dipshits. As a private individual in your own heart you can disapprove of all sides. There's no rule against it. 

 

Most people look at Syria and say, Assad has to go and the jihadis cannot be allowed to take over. That's it. Preferring Assad is supporting Assad which is unacceptable on any moral level. 

 

Remember that there are millions of Syrians outside of Syria right now. They have fled Assad, they have fled jihadis, they have fled ISIS. Think about their side. 

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I still pretty much prefer him to the alternative, at least he protected the Christians and country wasn't war torn. All dictators are oppressing the opposition to a some extent. Saudi Arabia is to me 10x worse than Assad ever was, but nobody wants to remove them. And even if someone did, what's next? Iraq and Libya are not better off now, sorry. I hope Assad and Russia prevails it would probably best for most of the inhabitants of that region.

the bold is untrue, but out of curiosity why do you say Saudi is worse and what quantifies it as being ten times so ?
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the bold is untrue, but out of curiosity why do you say Saudi is worse and what quantifies it as being ten times so ?

Syria did not execute people for horrible crimes of apostasy, homosexuality, adultery or atheism. Saudis do it while also are killing people for anti-governmental activities. That whole Sharia ideology is garbage. I would question morals of any person who believes in that bullshit. In fact only reason this is such a shithole of country exists is that kids are brainwashed from since they are like 4, it's very sad.
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I still pretty much prefer him to the alternative. All dictators are oppressing the opposition to a some extent. Saudi Arabia is to me 10x worse than Assad ever was, but nobody wants to remove them. And even if someone did, what's next? Iraq and Libya are not better off now, sorry. I hope Assad and Russia prevails.


Assad is a dipshit. Ahrar ashSham are dipshits. Jabhat anNusra are dipshits. As a private individual in your own heart you can disapprove of all sides. There's no rule against it. 

 

Most people look at Syria and say, Assad has to go and the jihadis cannot be allowed to take over. That's it. Preferring Assad is supporting Assad which is unacceptable on any moral level. 

 

Remember that there are millions of Syrians outside of Syria right now. They have fled Assad, they have fled jihadis, they have fled ISIS. Think about their side. 


I think the obvious question here is why arn't the able bodied men and women of Syria organizing themselves to fight the good fight or at least joining with the Kurds  

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I think the obvious question here is why arn't the able bodied men and women of Syria organizing themselves to fight the good fight or at least joining with the Kurds  


So many reasons. Sometimes Occam's Razor is the Razor of Ignorance. 

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Syria did not execute people for horrible crimes of apostasy, homosexuality or atheism. Saudis do it while also are killing people for anti-governmental activities.

it's obvious saudi arabia is a reprehensible authoritarian regime with little mercy, and certainly those executions are most likely without merit (and the religious basis can even be questioned but that's another can of worms). Amnesty international reports 175 executions in total in the past year. with that said, the death toll in syria has reached between 2-300,000 with 5-7 million displaced. Even if you blame half of that on the opposition, I am asking how you can quantiy Saudi as being 10x worse ?
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it's obvious saudi arabia is a reprehensible authoritarian regime with little mercy, and certainly those executions are most likely without merit (and the religious basis can even be questioned but that's another can of worms). Amnesty international reports 175 executions in total in the past year. with that said, the death toll in syria has reached between 2-300,000 with 5-7 million displaced. Even if you blame half of that on the opposition, I don't see how Saudi can be claimed to be 10x worse ?

because that's war there so I guess you can hardly compare it by body count
in Syria you would be targeted if you oppose the government- Saudis add loads of other bullshits to that
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This type of moral equivalency is irrelevant. What Saudi does has no bearing on the moral value of Assad's actions. 

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I think the obvious question here is why arn't the able bodied men and women of Syria organizing themselves to fight the good fight or at least joining with the Kurds  


So many reasons. Sometimes Occam's Razor is the Razor of Ignorance. 


Too many reasons not to fight for your future and the future of your children .I find that difficult to comprehend .I understand there are refugee with families that are to be considered first but surely that cannot be the entire demographic of 5-7 million displaced people

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I still pretty much prefer him to the alternative, at least he protected the Christians and country wasn't war torn. All dictators are oppressing the opposition to a some extent. Saudi Arabia is to me 10x worse than Assad ever was, but nobody wants to remove them. And even if someone did, what's next? Iraq and Libya are not better off now, sorry. I hope Assad and Russia prevails it would probably best for most of the inhabitants of that region.

The war started because of Assad though. All the Islamist factions come in after the situation had already devolved into civil war, they didn't start the unrest. Assad did a lot to escalate the situation by brutalizing the protesters.
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