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Unfortunately this is the result of AQ, Ahrar, JaI, et al poisoning the revolution. You get the Russian military and Iran's proxies on your ass with no recourse. I don't want to say they're fucked but they're fucked.
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this isn't proxies anymore, this is a military branch at this point. US and russian militaries to make contact soon

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/10/reports-iranian-troops-syria-joint-offensive-151001143337046.html

and saudi is not too pleased
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This is going to get ugly in a hurry. It's so surreal that this is all happening while all of these people are in NY.
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If Iran and Russia are going take the big step to stabilize the situation we need put our dicks away and gtfo
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They're not going to stabilize anything. They are going to lay waste to Aleppo and Idlib and strengthen ISIS in the process.
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They're not going to stabilize anything. They are going to lay waste to Aleppo and Idlib and strengthen ISIS in the process.

How can they square support for ISIS with support for Iran though?
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Who thinks this will not stop at Syria?
Lebanon soon to be a "protectorate" of Russia, Iran and Syria? I am not prepared to say yes, but unless ISIS manages to draw real Russian and Iranian (not just Hezbollah) blood, I am not sure why they would stop at Syria. Who will stop them?
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How can they square support for ISIS with support for Iran though?
They are not supporting ISIS. they are just going after the non-ISIS rebels first.
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What do Russia and Iran accomplish by strengthening ISIS and further destabilizing the region . As Machiavellian as this scenario is I can't square that with any sort of desirable end result 

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What do Russia and Iran accomplish by strengthening ISIS and further destabilizing the region . As Machiavellian as this scenario is I can't square that with any sort of desirable end result 

The rebels Russia is going after are the ones fighting Assad primarily. ISIS doesn't really do much to the regime anymore. If Russia is successful in its schemes, I think this would actually stabilize the region somewhat since there would be one less side fighting. Of course, this being the Middle East, it's going to backfire tremendously and they're going to get stuck in a quagmire of their own doing.
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They are not supporting ISIS. they are just going after the non-ISIS rebels first.


WTF If they are proping up Assad they will still have to deal with ISIS. Besides the US has a pretty poor track record when it comes to the people we choose to proxy for us. Taliban/Al Queda and Sadam Hussain come immediately to mind . We have done nothing but make a mess of everything we touch in the Middle East 

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WTF If they are proping up Assad they will still have to deal with ISIS. Besides the US has a pretty poor track record when it comes to the people we choose to proxy for us. Taliban/Al Queda and Sadam Hussain come immediately to mind . We have done nothing but make a mess of everything we touch in the Middle East 
Correct. You first go after the low-hanging fruit.
If they can salvage enough of Syria for Assad and Iran and safely leave ISIS alone, they will. But they will probably have to engage ISIS as well.
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The rebels Russia is going after are the ones fighting Assad primarily. ISIS doesn't really do much to the regime anymore. If Russia is successful in its schemes, I think this would actually stabilize the region somewhat since there would be one less side fighting. Of course, this being the Middle East, it's going to backfire tremendously and they're going to get stuck in a quagmire of their own doing.


Afganistan has already shown the Russians to be just as capable of ass fucking themselves as the US . If anybody listened to me they would all pullout and let the locals sort it out . Iran is the big power they are the ones who need stabilize the neighborhood.

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Afganistan has already shown the Russians to be just as capable of ass fucking themselves as the US . If anybody listened to me they would all pullout and let the locals sort it out . Iran is the big power they are the ones who need stabilize the neighborhood.


The U.S. listened to you, but Russia hasn't.
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Correct. You first go after the low-hanging fruit.
If they can salvage enough of Syria for Assad and Iran and safely leave ISIS alone, they will. But they will probably have to engage ISIS as well.


If ISIS is what they say they are they have to be destroyed by Iran I'm not buying the possibility of any sort of co/existance

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