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post #1066 of 2695
I would have thought you would have agreed on his point about the west funding terrorists and essentially have created their own issues.
post #1067 of 2695
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I would have thought you would have agreed on his point about the west funding terrorists and essentially have created their own issues.


How about the fact that those terrorists were released from Asad's prisons in 2011 and 2012 precisely to create a terrorist opposition? 

 

Zahran Alloush

Abu Jaber al-Sheikh

Abu Yahia al-Hamawi

Ahmad Eissa al-Sheikh

Hassan Abboud 

 

All of these men and many more were released between 2011 and 2012. Asad is a murderous dictator who intentionally turned the opposition into the Salafi-Jihadi monster that it is today. He has no leg to stand on. 

post #1068 of 2695
I was thinking I general terms, the US created Saddam after the first Iraq war, help fund the Saudi military and other good stuff.

The rest he says is bs.
post #1069 of 2695
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I was thinking I general terms, the US created Saddam after the first Iraq war, help fund the Saudi military and other good stuff.

The rest he says is bs.


What the fuck are you talking about "created Saddam?" Finn, can I suggest some reading for you? 

post #1070 of 2695
The US helped Iraq in the war against Iran in the 80's.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran–Iraq_war


You may, I'm not going to promise I'll read it though.
post #1071 of 2695
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How about the fact that those terrorists were released from Asad's prisons in 2011 and 2012 precisely to create a terrorist opposition? 

 

Zahran Alloush

Here is some more background on this guy

 

Son to a Salafi preacher who studied in Saudi and major Salafi advocate in Syria.

Has a degree in Shariah from Saudi and a masters later in Syria

Arrested in 2009

Released in 2011 as part of amnesty (typical moves made in Iraq as well)

 

 

Quite obvious that Assad had nothing to do with turning him into a Salafi as he was groomed from birth in that direction.

 

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 All of these men and many more were released between 2011 and 2012. Asad is a murderous dictator who intentionally turned the opposition into the Salafi-Jihadi monster that it is today. He has no leg to stand on. 

There is actually more reports stating that Abu Bakr Baghdadi turned radical in US custody and he was also released.

post #1072 of 2695
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Quite obvious that Assad had nothing to do with turning him into a Salafi as he was groomed from birth in that 


Do you know how to read? Alloush was granted amnesty in 2011. Now why would Asad do such a thing when he's facing an uprising? Right, to make himself look like less of a terrorist in comparison. 

 

Abu Bakr al-Bahgdadi was not released, he escaped. 

post #1073 of 2695
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 Alloush was granted amnesty in 2011. Now why would Asad do such a thing when he's facing an uprising? Right, to make himself look like less of a terrorist in comparison. 

 

 

More specifically in June of 2011 - The uprising began in March of 2011

 

It is a well accepted fact that during the first 3 months the Govt of Syria made changes and opened itself to negotiations. Many that were turned down by US.During this period the Govt had an upper hand so it makes no sense to release him just so he can form a brigade.

 

Also, During this time there were negotiations going on and he released as an amnesty, this is the same thing the Iraqi/Afghani/Paki Govt have done many many times.

 

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 Abu Bakr al-Bahgdadi was not released, he escaped. 

How convenient. You can read into Assad mind but somehow still pretend to be this naive.

post #1074 of 2695
Ethan the uprising was in its first few monthes and the amnesty (and many subsequent ones) was to try and appease part of the population. Even this ramadan there was a big amnesty. When a family has a kid in prison they feel angry against the regime, so they amnesty and hope that fire gets put out.

Besides, assad didnt release zahran alloush the leader of jaish islam. He released zahran alloush who was arrested on a meaningless charge, before the uprising had even begun.

Now id have said u may have a point (as yes those tactics are used, and for example focusing more on nusra fsa than isis in the early stages was a part of it) had alloush mysteriously formed his group and had he been getting support from god knows where.

However his funding and political support is widely known to be saudi and youve mentioned it yourself, and he and his brother make routine trips to turkey that have all been documented.

I doubt assads plan was to release random guy and hope that saudi picks him as their man to be the salafi leader.

Besodes alloush isnt even presented as the radical face of the revolution (while he is), nusra and isis took care of that.

He was just part of a general amnesty to appease popular resentment.
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More specifically in June of 2011 - The uprising began in March of 2011

 

It is a well accepted fact that during the first 3 months the Govt of Syria made changes and opened itself to negotiations. Many that were turned down by US.During this period the Govt had an upper hand so it makes no sense to release him just so he can form a brigade.

 

Also, During this time there were negotiations going on and he released as an amnesty, this is the same thing the Iraqi/Afghani/Paki Govt have done many many times.

 

How convenient. You can read into Assad mind but somehow still pretend to be this naive.


Keep drinking the Iran/Hizbullah Kool-Aid. 

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I was thinking I general terms, the US created Saddam after the first Iraq war, help fund the Saudi military and other good stuff.


The rest he says is bs.


What the are you talking about "created Saddam?" Finn, can I suggest some reading for you? 

helping Saddam isn't the same as "creating" him whatever that means. He was well on his way toward successfully wrapping up his coup and even sought initially to partner up with Special K in Iran before Khomeini decided to go on about the shi'i revolution across the entire region.
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Keep drinking the Iran/Hizbullah Kool-Aid. 

this sounds like bid'ah
post #1077 of 2695
president-less lebanon is gearing up for more protests.
post #1078 of 2695
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Keep drinking the Iran/Hizbullah Kool-Aid. 

Been on this forum long enough to know that when dealing with wannabe ME experts its best to use right wing info source. The above was all from Fox news.

post #1079 of 2695
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Been on this forum long enough to know that when dealing with wannabe ME experts its best to use right wing info source. The above was all from Fox news.


And where does your authority derive from? You're a Pakistani Shia' so you're qualified?

 

Have you ever even lived in an Arab country? 

 

You're nothing but a poorly informed and unintelligent partisan. 

post #1080 of 2695
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And where does your authority derive from? You're a Pakistani Shia' so you're qualified?

 

I dont think we have ever met or communicated via PM so where did you get this from?

 

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Have you ever even lived in an Arab country? 

 

You're nothing but a poorly informed and unintelligent partisan

Are you asking me a question or spewing more nonsense?

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