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6000 sudanese soldiers getting ready to bring sudanese democracy to yemen...
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The al-Nusra Front, a Syrian rebel group linked to al-Qaeda, captured the Idlib airbase, ending a two-year siege and all but ending the government’s presence in the north-east of the country. Russia confirmed that it had military advisers in Syria and said American attempts to stop it sending reinforcements to the Assad regime were “international boorishness”.
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Remember europe was massacring itself just 50 years ago and now has a european union.

 

Are you saying you think the Arabs will have peace in 50 years? If so, I have a bridge to sell you. 

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So when people like Zizek (rightly) criticize the various Sykes-Picot borders as unnatural and the result of post-colonialism, what borders do they think are better? Do they want the Ottoman Empire restored? The Persian Empire? Roman Empire? Sulemain? Or is the idea that we should just let the remnant ethnicities fight it out amongst themselves and with the new rising Caliphate?

At this point what choice do we have but to let them fight it out and through the process of self determination create the government they want? There might be decades of relative anarchy, but it's been pretty clear from 2003 and on that Western nation building doesn't cut it in the Middle East.

A good example is Somalia. We sent some humanitarian aid in there, but beyond periodic raids to protect our interest, the world has left them alone since the early 90's. They broke up factionally somewhat, with the creation of Somaliland in the north, but they did so on their own accord. Now they're slowly coming out of those decades of war and have some semblance of a government.
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At this point what choice do we have but to let them fight it out and through the process of self determination create the government they want? There might be decades of relative anarchy, but it's been pretty clear from 2003 and on that Western nation building doesn't cut it in the Middle East.

A good example is Somalia. We sent some humanitarian aid in there, but beyond periodic raids to protect our interest, the world has left them alone since the early 90's. They broke up factionally somewhat, with the creation of Somaliland in the north, but they did so on their own accord. Now they're slowly coming out of those decades of war and have some semblance of a government.


And a big semblance of criminal ash-Shabaab assholes whose violence has spilled over into Ethiopia.

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Hey guys, here is a fun joke. 

 

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And a big semblance of criminal ash-Shabaab assholes whose violence has spilled over into Ethiopia.

Don't forget Kenya also.
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al-Shabaab and any other crew dumb enough to publically join up w Al Qaeda (or ISIS too I suppose) provides a great opp for the USAF / drone boys to get some combat time for their guys and test their shit.
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Are you saying you think the Arabs will have peace in 50 years? If so, I have a bridge to sell you. 

Not at all. What im saying is that for years europe had two or three countries join up, even forming unions, that would then disintegrate, etc.... And had vicious wars among its nations often on ethnic/cultural lines as well. One then would have looked and said any thoughs of union is ridiculous. Yet if you look at the future now it seems natural.

This was in reply to dopey sarcastically bringing up nassers failed union of egypt and syria as a reply to me saying a secular arab union is the best choice
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al-Shabaab and any other crew dumb enough to publically join up w Al Qaeda (or ISIS too I suppose) provides a great opp for the USAF / drone boys to get some combat time for their guys and test their shit.

And the al shabaab guys get a lot of practice slaughtering kids at universities and people at malls.
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Dont worry guys, Saudi Arabia has offered to build a wahhabi mosque for every 1-200 refugees.

Soon youll be able to grow your own isis fighters
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Looks like Turkey is killin' some Kurds these days. Gotta scratch the genocidal itch every now and then eh.
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Looks like Turkey is killin' some Kurds these days. Gotta scratch the genocidal itch every now and then eh.


Yeah, lots of pictures of dead kids on my feed lately. Apparently a Turkish sniper shot and killed a mother and the bullet went through the baby's foot. 

 

Nationalist Turks are total dickheads. I don't know any other way to describe them. 

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Mostly agreed, althought the most radical of the Kurd nationalists have blown up Turkish civilians going back in the years too....
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Mostly agreed, althought the most radical of the Kurd nationalists have blown up Turkish civilians going back in the years too....


The Turks created the PKK. Not to say that their operations in Turkey aren't terrorism but they exist for a reason and their grievances are legitimate. 

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