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post #136 of 283
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Shock of the night!! An Arsenal team woefully short of confidence after being humiliated by Man U go to the San Siro and embarrass Milan.I don't know whether to laugh or cry?

That Milan Team is past its best, Ancelotti will be gone at the end of the season and they´ll work on rebuilding the team.

You care about Arsenal? United will be back on top in a couple of weeks time and the title will be ours again.

First post in an american forum about football, that's great!
post #137 of 283
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Looks like Roma is through. Vicunic just gave them 2-1. I'm a bit disappointed for RM as I have a soft-spot in my heart for them after their years of being roundly denounced because of the Galacticos dire performances.

Porto is up right now even though they're a man down.


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post #138 of 283
Chelsea strolled through. Thankfully Roma ousted Real.

The Arsenal match was still the highlight though.
post #139 of 283
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That Milan Team is past its best, Ancelotti will be gone at the end of the season and they´ll work on rebuilding the team.

This is shaping up to be one of the stories of the summer silly season.

Ancelotti gets the arse, potentially Rijkaard too, at Barca. He's a former Milanista, sooooo..... but wait, it's Jose, "Il Speciale Uno" Mourinho coming to stake his claim on Berlusconi's lira!

Please forgive my abominable Italian. ;]
post #140 of 283
I have a quick question. How come liverpool played west ham last night and not inter milan?
post #141 of 283
@ strazzaque

Absolutley! It's going to be a busy summer. Drogba wants to leave, he'll head the same direction as Jose, and nobody knows what will happen at Chelsea. Benitez may be another one who gets the boot and so on. I just hope Milan can work on the team and ManUtd get a quality striker.

@ aleksandr

I think the Milanese teams are not allowed to play at San Siro two days in a row. Another reason could, that there are too many English fans there, since AC was playing againist Arsenal.
post #142 of 283
I don't think anyone here cares about MLS, but Philly is getting a team in 2010! I'm so excited.
post #143 of 283
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I don't think anyone here cares about MLS, but Philly is getting a team in 2010! I'm so excited.

I care about the MLS. I'm not a huge fan, but I want it to succeed and I like to see new talent coming up (and in from overseas).

DC United saw some big changes in its roster during the off-season, so we'll have to see how they gel. They have their first game on the 12th I think.


Question: there was an article on FSW.com the other day about how the US squad is in trouble because so many teams that Americans play on abroad are heading down (or are already in a lower league). Fulham is a great example, where current US players Clint Dempsey, Eddie Johnson, and Boca play (not to mention McBride and Keller). It's looking pretty dire for them right now.

So the debate that came up in comments was whether these guys will get better experience playing at the bottom of the EPL, Serie A, etc. or in the second divisions Colaship, Serie B, etc. than they would get in MLS. Thoughts?

I don't get to watch enough footy all around to know how well the MLS compares, but my general feeling is that playing in the bottom of the top European domestic leagues or in the second divisions is definitely just as good, if not better than, MLS.


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post #144 of 283
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Originally Posted by rdawson808 View Post
I care about the MLS. I'm not a huge fan, but I want it to succeed and I like to see new talent coming up (and in from overseas).

DC United saw some big changes in its roster during the off-season, so we'll have to see how they gel. They have their first game on the 12th I think.


Question: there was an article on FSW.com the other day about how the US squad is in trouble because so many teams that Americans play on abroad are heading down (or are already in a lower league). Fulham is a great example, where current US players Clint Dempsey, Eddie Johnson, and Boca play (not to mention McBride and Keller). It's looking pretty dire for them right now.

So the debate that came up in comments was whether these guys will get better experience playing at the bottom of the EPL, Serie A, etc. or in the second divisions Colaship, Serie B, etc. than they would get in MLS. Thoughts?

I don't get to watch enough footy all around to know how well the MLS compares, but my general feeling is that playing in the bottom of the top European domestic leagues or in the second divisions is definitely just as good, if not better than, MLS.


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i don't know what you mean by 'playing at the bottom.' the last place team in the first division faces the same competition as everyone else. if anything, playing for a bottom team gives them more playing time. if the americans were playing for arsenal, they'd be on the bench or with the reserves.

and second division is not a huge drop in quality. if i were a pro i'd much rather be in spain's second division than to play in mls, where each team has maybe one good american, and one foreigner who used to be good 10 years ago.
post #145 of 283
btw, mr. dawson, since you're interested in mls. i saw a couple of galaxy matches last season and they have a great left back who i think should be in europe. i don't remember his name and i don't think he's received any hype. he's a short, black guy, and i think he's american.

when i saw him he was playing on a higher level than everyone else on the field, and the commentators said nothing about him.
post #146 of 283
I had a friend send me this and figured some of you might enjoy it. Basically just ridiculous freestyle ball handling skills.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COcczatkNP4
post #147 of 283
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i don't know what you mean by 'playing at the bottom.' the last place team in the first division faces the same competition as everyone else. if anything, playing for a bottom team gives them more playing time. if the americans were playing for arsenal, they'd be on the bench or with the reserves.

and second division is not a huge drop in quality. if i were a pro i'd much rather be in spain's second division than to play in mls, where each team has maybe one good american, and one foreigner who used to be good 10 years ago.

Not only that, but Bobby Convey joined Reading when they were still in the Championship, and look at him now.
post #148 of 283
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i don't know what you mean by 'playing at the bottom.' the last place team in the first division faces the same competition as everyone else. if anything, playing for a bottom team gives them more playing time. if the americans were playing for arsenal, they'd be on the bench or with the reserves.

and second division is not a huge drop in quality. if i were a pro i'd much rather be in spain's second division than to play in mls, where each team has maybe one good american, and one foreigner who used to be good 10 years ago.


I was paraphrasing what others were saying; I think their point was that if you are a crap team (even if in the top flight) you spend your weekendds getting beaten up by the big boys. It's one thing to play teams better than you, it's how you learn, but there's a limit. Now, there're flaws in this argument obviously (assumes no degrees of quality; even if only 4 teams are tops the other 16 still play one another).

And some commenters were saying that the second divisions were of significantly different quality.

I didn't know if these things are hyperbole, or to what degree they are true.
post #149 of 283
... i don't think that arsenal was 'woefully short of confidence"
... i think is was the exact opposite, they were full of confidence; even the italian media after the game indicated that in their reports
post #150 of 283
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Shock of the night!! An Arsenal team woefully short of confidence after being humiliated by Man U go to the San Siro and embarrass Milan.I don't know whether to laugh or cry?

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Originally Posted by Germanicus View Post
That Milan Team is past its best, Ancelotti will be gone at the end of the season and they´ll work on rebuilding the team.

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... i don't think that arsenal was 'woefully short of confidence"
... i think is was the exact opposite, they were full of confidence; even the italian media after the game indicated that in their reports

Milan has been crap all year. Yes, they do seem to pull it together on the European stage, but this was bound to happen. Still a quality squad (and Pato's introduction gave them a shot of youthful zest), but otherwise quite long in the tooth....
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