What the fcuk is going on in here? I do think the t-shirt is silly, and I definitely agree with what Chuck says about respect. Unfortunately, we human beings tend to concentrate on the little things, and not the huge issues at hand. I'm sure that, if governments paid as much frank attention to world-endangering problems as they do to what's playing on the airwaves, the world would be a much better place. As it is now, it is like how Jesus* told the Pharisees, to paraphrase, "You strain out the gnat yet gulp down the camel." In other words, people concentrate on the appearance, and not the bigger core. I remember what it was like to be a punk who'd do anything to shock people around me. I did so because I was poking fun at their orthodox lifestyle locked in routine, believing in a system that I considered completely faulty. It's really hilarious when you reach towards someone, pull his head out of that hole in the sand containing his perfect, sanitized version of reality, and shout in his ear while he takes a good look around "Welcome to the real world." And in a world in which values seem to have lost value, where trust can't be placed anywhere and the truth is ever more elusive to find, I find this reaction to be right on par. Cause and effect. Ergo, vis a vis, concordantly. PS. I used to tease the "Christian" kids at my school all the time, because they were tremendously two-faced. This isn't to say that all Christians are, because I knew a bunch of sincere ones that actually practiced what they preached. I think Steve went off on a tangent there probably out of disgust for a professed Christian country acting in a decidedly un-Christlike way. *I thought it would be appropriate given the direction this thread has taken.