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post #3136 of 3286
Just my opinion, but I think sometimes this board overthinks these things. To a degree that sometimes outfits come out looking a bit stiff and contrived.

I suppose the ties look somewhat autumnal as a collection, but if you just think of natural pairings, they seem fine.

Brown Matka with a cream or navy suit
Burgundy Matka with with a tan suit (something with a grayish cast, rather that yellow)
Green Matka with a tobacco linen or brown wool suit
Yellow Matka with a navy sport coat

etc etc etc.

They seem like pretty basic colors to me. IMO, if you line everything up so that it's perfectly and undeviatingly summer -- color, texture, hue, saturation, material, etc in your shoes, sport coats, pants, accessories, etc -- things end up looking overthought.

Vox's guide on coherency was useful, but sometimes a little (natural) discordance also keeps things from looking too paint-by-numbers.
post #3137 of 3286
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Originally Posted by dieworkwear View Post

Just my opinion, but I think sometimes this board overthinks these things.

 

I would agree with this.

 

By that I'm not saying that I don't sometimes do this too, it's just that not everything needs to be categorized so much. I think this is especially true with colors. Some of my favorite summer combos have had rust, dusty greens, and browns in them. I just liked them because they looked good and were usually made of reasonable fabrics for the season. Nothing beyond that.

post #3138 of 3286
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Originally Posted by dieworkwear View Post

Just my opinion, but I think sometimes this board overthinks these things. To a degree that sometimes outfits come out looking a bit stiff and contrived.
 

Those are nice suggestions, Derek. 

 

That said, we probably shouldn't think that what happens on SF reflects actual life or practice. I still come to SF because it's only here I get to pose these narrow questions for fun. It's the Lounge after all and why I created the thread. Admittedly, there's less interest to talk about stuff, especially minutia. I suspect we're at the end of this thread's life.

 

IRL, dressing, at least for me, reflects the frenzy of getting certain people to school at an ungodly early hour and, perhaps as it should be, my gut take on what might look good when I've got a few minutes to make such decisions in the morning. 

post #3139 of 3286
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we probably shouldn't think that what happens on SF reflects actual life or practice.

 

But are we not real people? Do we not go out into the world in the clothes we select? Maybe a lot of people don't put the thought that we do into things like this, but then again, who delves into history, science, or medicine in any more than a superficial way other than those who wish to be experts in those fields? I guess what I'm saying is that just because these discussions appeal to a narrow scope of people doesn't mean they are meaningless. And because they have some meaning we can apply real life standards to our discussions here. 

post #3140 of 3286
Fortunately, most colors generally seen in classic menswear are appropriate for all seasons: blue, brown, and gray. There are definitely bright pastels for spring and summer, and muted, dusty hues for fall and winter, but I would focus on the ones that are obviously seasonal, and integrate one or two with classic menswear colors.
post #3141 of 3286
TL;DR version - Color coordination, balance and harmony trumps color seasonality.
post #3142 of 3286
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But are we not real people? Do we not go out into the world in the clothes we select? Maybe a lot of people don't put the thought that we do into things like this, but then again, who delves into history, science, or medicine in any more than a superficial way other than those who wish to be experts in those fields? I guess what I'm saying is that just because these discussions appeal to a narrow scope of people doesn't mean they are meaningless. And because they have some meaning we can apply real life standards to our discussions here. 


I'm not sure I am; I might be a bot though I've probably passed Turing's Test at this point (or have I?).

 

Seriously, I just meant whether Tweedyprof is really so theoretical IRL (he probably is), whether Caustic Man is so caustic...(what say you?) and whether Dieworkwear really hates workwear (clearly not). Theory can, of  course, inform practice and vice versa. There's less interest in theory on SF, though, and that's fine. You can read earlier parts of this thread which were quite animated and useful, but I think in the end, it's easier to give quick advice, post an occasional picture, ask about a product. 

 

I believe, myself, that articulation of theory in dress probably best emanates from a good grasp of practice which begins with skill. But I agree: we shouldn't denigrate theory. Some of us make a living on it.

post #3143 of 3286

When it comes down to it theory is just the acceptance that some things look less discordant to the human eye in a certain context. Gifted is the person who can parse something to the point that he can make a theory about it. Gifted more is the person who can coherently describe that theory to others. There does seem to be a point of critical mass, however. Being able to express why some color combinations and patterns look harmonious together is one thing, but trying to pinpoint the area of the brain that processes sense of style, and identifying the chemical reactions that people feel when they look at ties they like is odd ("obvious exaggeration" notice required). That said, I have liked reading this thread because it veers into the ridiculous far less than other weirdly intellectual ones. Anti-intellectualism is often misunderstood to be celebratory of ignorance. Maybe we need more of it in our live today. I don't know if this thread has run its course or not, but I hope not. 

 

By the by, I don't think I'm really caustic at all, on this forum or IRL. All I really want to do is help and be liked. My gut reactions to things simply come out faster than my inhibition protocols. This has the advantage is making my advice much more honest than many, perhaps at the expense of tact.

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When it comes down to it theory is just the acceptance that some things look less discordant to the human eye in a certain context. Gifted is the person who can parse something to the point that he can make a theory about it. Gifted more is the person who can coherently describe that theory to others. There does seem to be a point of critical mass, however. Being able to express why some color combinations and patterns look harmonious together is one thing, but trying to pinpoint the area of the brain that processes sense of style, and identifying the chemical reactions that people feel when they look at ties they like is odd ("obvious exaggeration" notice required). That said, I have liked reading this thread because it veers into the ridiculous far less than other weirdly intellectual ones. Anti-intellectualism is often misunderstood to be celebratory of ignorance. Maybe we need more of it in our live today. I don't know if this thread has run its course or not, but I hope not. 

 

By the by, I don't think I'm really caustic at all, on this forum or IRL. All I really want to do is help and be liked. My gut reactions to things simply come out faster than my inhibition protocols. This has the advantage is making my advice much more honest than many, perhaps at the expense of tact.


Well, do work to keep this thread going. I'd be happy for additional voices. So you're warmly encouraged to contribute here.

post #3145 of 3286
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Originally Posted by UrbanComposition View Post

TL;DR version - Color coordination, balance and harmony trumps color seasonality.

 

Agreed, but by saying this you concede that color seasonality exists.  That simply happened to be what TweedyProf wanted to discuss.

 

If someone thinks it's not relevant to their interests that's certainly fine, but if nothing else it exists as part of the history of costume.

 

Cheers,

 

Ac

post #3146 of 3286
We agree then smile.gif it does exist, but only plays a minor role. If I could draw a Venn diagram, the point where classic menswear and seasonal colors overlap would be pretty small.
post #3147 of 3286
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Originally Posted by UrbanComposition View Post

it does exis

 

Often only in the minds of some people. In Dubai seasonality in colors is essentially non-existent.

post #3148 of 3286
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Originally Posted by TweedyProf View Post

These are beautiful but my first impression is autumnal palette (mustard excepted). Vanda matka's.





Of course, many are wearable in summer but, allowing for the metaphorical contrast noted above, what makes something summer for color?


If you are looking for a black and white rule on this that will be true now and forevermore, there isn't going to be one. Color preferences (and in this case seasonal Summer color preferences) and the popularity of specific colors change over time. So, you must look at overall color trends if you want to look "right" in your seasonal wardrobe. So, to answer that, you simply look at current fashion seasonal color pallets. Now, whether or not those colors look good on you is a whole other discussion. The best colors are those shades of colors that look good on you and are in sync with color trends.

There is always a designer trying to "push" a color that is counter to the trend. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. But I can tell you from personal experience that when you pick the right shade of colors at the right time, something magic happens. There is a collective appeal when the right colors are chosen, and people do want new. As a good example, look at the current iGent popularity of the brown linen suit for summer. Prior to this, and for probably 25+ years a dark brown summer suit, would have looked like an elderly Midwest Insurance salesman at a Lodge meeting. But times change and colors come back into popularity in new combinations, in different shades by a younger generation that discovers them as being "new" and "fresh" again.

As far as the ties go, I think you could easily find much better color options than these for Summer with the exception of the dark brown (second from R) which would look handsome with a natural linen jacket and white shirt. The other colors I would skip (for Summer). With current trend color palettes they look too Fall/ Winter and the yellow is far too bright unless you are attending a party and the theme is "80's bright yellow tie night".

If you want to spend time discussing "could I make them work?", go ahead. All I would say to your reply would be, "Is there a better option". If so, why not go with that?
post #3149 of 3286
Normally I'd pose a completely irrelevant question in the GNAT, but since that thread seems to be dying off due to the banning of its once eponymous member and there are legitimate academics here, does anyone here have expertise in mathematics that can direct me to a good explanation of the Riemann Hypothesis and what the hell a zeta function has to do with the distribution of prime numbers? I just read a book on it and am barely more competent to discuss the topic than when I started the book. Normally I can at least grasp the concept if I haven't been trained in the mathematics, but not here for some reason.
post #3150 of 3286
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What are some SF thoughts on patch pockets with flaps? Is this kind of bizarre? This seems like a strange trendy look? Or is this a typical classic style?

Disregard the obvious fit issues and horrid styling...


It's been a while, so I hope that I'm getting this right for @patrickBOOTH's sake:

Will I In

(That doesn't feel right, though...)
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