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post #3121 of 3318

I generally don't assign seasonality to colors. If you've ever seen a summer in SoCal then you'll see lots of browns, olives, and tans in the environment ('cause we get no rain) so it doesn't bother me. Fabric and texture, rather, are seasonal things. You could wear a tan jacket any time of year, but if it's camel hair it's F/W if it's cotton it's S/S.

post #3122 of 3318
Thread Starter 

I'm from SD as it turns out (and I think you too). For some reason, I think Urban is as well...


You raise a fair point and I agree environmental contexts matter. Still, I would counter (with usual academic qualifications): It's difficult to talk about seasonality, in the current Sartorial sense, in a climate where, in a sense, there is no seasonality. :D


It's effectively spring/summer all the time in SD though desert evenings can be chilly. 


If we move colors with the seasons in dress, it's to acknowledge the contrast that seasons often bring, even if for some, this "contrastive seasonality" can only be a dream or metaphor. The shift, say, from pastel green, forest green to "dustier" olives (spring, summer, fall) marks that conceptual contrast even if one happens to be stuck in a desert. 


Ties and squares are a good place to indicate that passage even if one is inclined to light colored fresco suits year round.

post #3123 of 3318
Come on guys, flowers bloom in spring even in the desert smile.gif I grew up in San Diego, but even there I'd say seasonality of colors (though probably not fabric) exists.

Roping in @GusW for color discussion.
post #3124 of 3318

Well, very little of San Diego is desert. But you guys knew that, right? :fonz:


However, your point about the seasonality of San Diego is an interesting one. What interests me is that I wonder if growing up in that kind of place contributed to my feeling that colors aren't seasonal. I wouldn't say San Diego is seasonless, just more subtle compared to other places. In any case, I can see how the peculiarity of it's seasons might change a person's perceptions on the matter.

Edited by Caustic Man - 8/16/16 at 11:55am
post #3125 of 3318
What are some SF thoughts on patch pockets with flaps? Is this kind of bizarre? This seems like a strange trendy look? Or is this a typical classic style?

Disregard the obvious fit issues and horrid styling...

post #3126 of 3318

It's  pretty classic look. I have flaps on nearly all my patch pocket jackets and some of them are quite old.

post #3127 of 3318
It's a pretty established style of pocket. I'd not be surprised if it predates simple patch
post #3128 of 3318

Patch pockets with flaps were more for summer suits (less layers of fabric) or when the patch pockets were pleated/gusseted for holding lots of things securely on hunting jackets.  It's a more consistent look than two open patch pockets combined with a standard breast pocket.

post #3129 of 3318

Great for tweed sport jacket.

post #3130 of 3318
Originally Posted by PCK1 View Post

Great for tweed sport jacket.


Exactly.  Flaps are very much a British country sporting thing (although of course they can and do appear in other contexts).   Keeps water out, and keeps the contents in whilst riding.





post #3131 of 3318

Thought that was Aaron Rodgers at first.

post #3132 of 3318
Thread Starter 

These are beautiful but my first impression is autumnal palette (mustard excepted). Vanda matka's.




Of course, many are wearable in summer but, allowing for the metaphorical contrast noted above, what makes something summer for color? I'm thinking of the pastel green, forest green, olive transition as something like a spring-summer-fall transition, but that's an impression.


Let's have some examples of summer palettes. I'll pull some from the SS 10/5 thread later.

post #3133 of 3318
Thread Starter 
I should add that I agree with CM that textures are impt here too but set that aside. The question concerns seasonality of colors.
post #3134 of 3318
Originally Posted by TweedyProf View Post

I should add that I agree with CM that textures are impt here too but set that aside. The question concerns seasonality of colors.


I think it’s always been assumed that most colors have seasonal associations, else the textile industry’s classification ‘seasonless solids’ (viz., black, gray, navy, and white) would make no sense.  Getting full agreement on the seasonal associations of all the others is unlikely, however—there are too many national, regional, and cultural differences for the effect on the observer to be truly intersubjective. 


Some color names denote so large a range of possibilities that as a category they overlap seasons, although arguably specific colors within the range may not for any particular person.  ‘Orange’ is a good example (it’s also one of my favorites since it combines so well with navy and other blues).   The closer a particular instance tends toward the rust/brown side of the spectrum, which is to say the more it evokes the color of fall leaves, the more fall/winter the connotation is for me.  The closer it approximates the color of the fruit from Florida, the more spring/summer it is for me.





post #3135 of 3318
Thread Starter 

There's an interplay between saturation and brightness that might have a seasonal association even if the hues themselves also can be divided by seasons (to some extent). I agree with you with your take on orange which is, partly, reflecting shifts in brightness as seasonally relevant (related perhaps to amount of light in a day).


@GusW  thoughts?

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