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post #2971 of 3318
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Originally Posted by Testudo_Aubreii View Post


This I like quite a bit. It honors the principle that it is usually pleasing to have the primary color of the tie echo a secondary color in the shirt, and the principle that it is usually pleasing to have the tie primary be a complementary contrast with the ground and secondary in the coat.

The solid tie on a tattersall with a glen plaid coat avoids one small problem with @zr3rs's combination: the neats on the tie are very similar in scale to the check in his tattersall. That's what makes the ensemble pretty busy, as he put it. If the tie had considerably bigger medallions, like in some of Urban Compostition's recent postings, the busy-ness would be reduced.


I think I should ask you to do a few posts. Articulating principles is a useful exercise, and that was part of the point of the Lounge.

 

We can all agree that fundamentally, dressing well is a practical/perceptual skill but that articulating those principles we implicitly rely on is useful and a good way to teach others.

 

So, want to run through a few of your principles, with pics and illustrations of what works and what doesn't? You've done a bit above.

 

I agree with @greger that the Pitti pic runs afoul of the simple matchy-matchy PS/tie rule (i.e. don't do it). I suppose that there's a thread to pic apart decent Pitti fits, but maybe next Pitti.

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post #2973 of 3318
Thanks, @TweedyProf. I'll decline the kind invitation for now, but here's a question to keep your discussion going. Why is Nigel Farage's ensemble here off? (He's usually pretty good at combining patterns--certainly by present politicians' standards.)



After all, the passport echoes a secondary color in the coat! biggrin.gif

And what if anything is wrong with this? The red and blue in the tattersall echo the red and blue in the coat check, as does the red tie.



Yet this seems to me to work.

post #2974 of 3318
For the sake of brevity....none of those work. At all.
post #2975 of 3318
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Originally Posted by Murlsquirl View Post

For the sake of brevity....none of those work. At all.
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Originally Posted by Testudo_Aubreii View Post

Why is Nigel Farage's ensemble here off?
post #2976 of 3318
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I don't know, @Testudo_Aubreii those are a hard sell though the first is the least objectionable (a saturated, darker green tie helps though a solid would have been preferable).
 
It all seems a bit matchy-matchy (shirt, tie). Here's another picture of the middle
 

 

Are his jackets bespoke? They don't sit tightly on his collar do they? Grant it, these are action shots, but if caught twice out, one begins to wonder.

 

I suspect he was going for a match in color between checks on shirt and that of the jacket and I don't find it very pleasing. "Echoing" here isn't working for me, personally, because it's too literal in respect of color. But hard to tell from these shots.

 

There's something, to me, also slightly off in this case of the seemingly pastel, bright colors in the check and the very unsaturated, flat ground of the jacket. The red tie is also, for me, too bright in this context (in the last picture, where it appears burgundy, it is less objectionable).

 

He does seem very wedded to a particular type of ensemble with this jacket doesn't he.

 

post #2977 of 3318

I like all of them. 

 

It's typical english-countryside look. 

post #2978 of 3318
I agree, Tweedy, that none is unobjectionable. Here's how I'd diagnose the problems in 1 and 3.

1 has an unusual failure we seldom see. We seem to have a tie with a forest green ground and blueish medallions on a white ground shirt with large navy and yellow checks. This is paired with a moss green tweed coat with red and navy check. Here, the chief problem seem to be that we are trapped in a circle of greens and the yellow and blue that are their primary colors. This is an unusual failure. The other problem is that the medallions on the tie look like a light blue, which goes poorly with the navy check in the shirt. This goes against the principle that it is always dangerous to have a secondary in the tie be a lighter version of a secondary in the shirt.

3 almost makes it, given that the tie looks burgundy. The one problem is that the pastel colors in the shirt, an uber-spring/summer colorway, go poorly with the fall colors in the coat.

How would you guys diagnose the problems in 2?
post #2979 of 3318
1 and 2 both fail for me due to the large scale of the shirt pattern. Not enough shirt shows for the pattern to "resolve", so the lines present as discrete, jarring elements. This is why such patterns are more appropriate for sport shirts IMO.
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Originally Posted by sugarbutch View Post

1 and 2 both fail for me due to the large scale of the shirt pattern. Not enough shirt shows for the pattern to "resolve", so the lines present as discrete, jarring elements. This is why such patterns are more appropriate for sport shirts IMO.

This.
post #2981 of 3318
It's all fail

Not typical

That is all
post #2982 of 3318
Thread Starter 

I take it, as @PCK1  notes, that this is a country sporting look. I suppose the better challenge is this (and it should be easy to meet): find some better examples that are more pleasing.

post #2983 of 3318
I'll try for check in check tomorrow.
post #2984 of 3318
Inception that check, Clags.
post #2985 of 3318

Those fits are straight out of a Cordings look book. I'd wear practically the same thing out on a hunt for grouse or beagling or simply a long walk in the woods. Highly typical indeed. 

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