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post #2851 of 3293
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From the fifties. So many of you guys are green. And nobody to teach you the rules. Therefore, new rules to be made up. Not to mention the old rules were ever changing, anyway. The new rules are a drastic change from the pre-hippie era. I didn't care for the old rules that much, anyway. And tried to get out of most of them. But, they did add structure. Poorer people were less involved, because they didn't have funds to buy. The wealthy, of course, had the most. The boys selection of clothes in the stores had more suits, blazers and sports coats than other kinds of clothes. Not that you have noticed the world does change. For me sports coats are casual wear, after work clothes. Are suits going the way of the dinosaur?

Teach us daddy

post #2852 of 3293
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Originally Posted by greger View Post

So many of you guys are green. And nobody to teach you the rules. 

 

 
Not to mention the old rules were ever changing, anyway.
 
 
I didn't care for the old rules that much, anyway. And tried to get out of most of them. 
 

And yet here you are.

:facepalm:

post #2853 of 3293
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Originally Posted by greger View Post

-AMD,
That tie is way to wild for a respectable business tie.
The shirt has the right plainness for business.
Even a shoe salesman wouldn't wear a sports coat at work.
Some school teachers (men) could get away with wearing a sports coat.
Yeah, the rules were starting to get rather lax by then.
After all, they had been the example to boys for proper wear.
Girls wore skirts and dresses. In high school they could wear jeans.
Ignoring the fact that this is utter drivel (barely comprehensible drivel at that), who stated that the outfit you quoted was intended for the workplace?
post #2854 of 3293
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Originally Posted by _AMD View Post


Ignoring the fact that this is utter drivel (barely comprehensible drivel at that), who stated that the outfit you quoted was intended for the workplace?

greger actually knows his sh*t, hes just not usually this ornery.

post #2855 of 3293
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

greger actually knows his sh*t, hes just not usually this ornery.
He may know his shit, but he can't express it very well.
post #2856 of 3293
Don't really care. But I don't like to see history rewritten either.

The reason why I come here is to see tailored jackets. But, lots of them are kind of shoddy. Sleeves not right. Drags near the button. People calling drags drape. And, the list goes on. For the amount of money some people are paying there really is no excuse for the the tailors to be doing such shoddy work. Higher priced tailors shouldn't be rushing the jobs so quick. Maybe I should spend my time looking through tumblr.
post #2857 of 3293
You guys need to be spoonfed?
post #2858 of 3293
How about just posting a few pics of jackets done right?
post #2859 of 3293
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Originally Posted by greger View Post

Don't really care. But I don't like to see history rewritten either.

The reason why I come here is to see tailored jackets. But, lots of them are kind of shoddy. Sleeves not right. Drags near the button. People calling drags drape. And, the list goes on. For the amount of money some people are paying there really is no excuse for the the tailors to be doing such shoddy work. Higher priced tailors shouldn't be rushing the jobs so quick. Maybe I should spend my time looking through tumblr.
I would wager that most here agree with your statement above, at least in spirit. I don't understand what it has to do with the current conversation, or your original quoting of tweedyprof. Or, have I completely misunderstood, and you are simply posting a series of tirades as they come to you?
post #2860 of 3293
I'm actually curious. Isn't that what this thread is for? I think @greger should demonstrate for educational purposes.
post #2861 of 3293
Don't really have photos to show. Wish I did. Vox has some nice coats. There have been many ideas that has come down the pike. It would be nice to see some of them again. Some tailors were really good at interpreting the cultural reasons for those clothes, since that is what clothes are based on. You can see the cultural reasons here how the clothes here are being shaped. Some people here have a lot of influence which some of the others are following.
post #2862 of 3293
Just responding according to what other people are writing and showing according to the lessons of my childhood. You guys put up a picture of sports coat, tie and shirt that doesn't work and I said so with thoughts you guys haven't thought of. Where can somebody wear that combo and be ok. I think of a beggar begging money on a street corner, because it mismatches so badly. You guys are of a different generation and have different opinions.
post #2863 of 3293
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Originally Posted by greger View Post

-AMD,
That tie is way to wild for a respectable business tie.
The shirt has the right plainness for business.
Even a shoe salesman wouldn't wear a sports coat at work.
Some school teachers (men) could get away with wearing a sports coat.
Yeah, the rules were starting to get rather lax by then.
After all, they had been the example to boys for proper wear.
Girls wore skirts and dresses. In high school they could wear jeans.

Who or what is a respectable business? Apple? Facebook? The non profit I work for? None of them require jacket and tie—some outright ban them.
I want folks to dress well as much as the next guy, but your stated reason doesn't cut it as an acceptable answer.

What is "the right plainness" for a business shirt? What does a non-business shirt look like? Crazy plaids? In what contexts did people in the 50s wear shirts with this level of plainness outside of with a suit? You're saying they never did so with a sportcoat? Did men ever remove their tie after work without changing shirts?

Which shoe salesmen wear suits exclusively? And what shoes are they selling?

The man whose photo is in question is a professor—does he qualify in your rules as being able to get away with wearing a sportcoat in his work environment?

All of these questions don't address cultural contexts. Were the answers all made up in your mind before the explosion of globalization we experience in our current era?
post #2864 of 3293
@greger must be @SartodiNapoli's grandpa.
post #2865 of 3293
My colleague today was wearing a black jacket (though not an orphan), gray cotton chinos, a barely tied necktie, yellow shirt, and brown boat shoes, and he teaches today. More power to him: he has his priorities in the right place. But what TP wore would most certainly fly in academia today and academia in the 60s judging from pictures (though slubby striped grenadines are new).

I think hyperbole has little place in these exchanges. Greger thinks it's incongruent, but I doubt it actually puts him in mind of a beggar.
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