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post #2731 of 3294
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Originally Posted by TweedyProf View Post



We've all been there or are there.

For myself, I'm slowly gravitating back to "simpler" solid jackets or jackets whose visual interest is in a subtle texture (coarse hopsack for summer, subtle herringbone for tweed in winter). This is not to say that more strongly patterned jackets don't appeal to me (if money and context were not constraints, the navy sherry cash Formosa at NMWA would be in my closet now). 

Sometimes not sure if I'm really, really late into stage 1 or early into stage 3. The percentage of strongly checked jackets--enough to override a veto--in my closet suggests the latter. I think part of it is that iGentry is more developed (and accessible in retail) these days, with the consequence that a lot more people are starting in stage 2, making some terrible mistakes, and then learning the value of simplicity (and of "the rules.") This is sort of like deriving every formula during the exam instead of just memorizing them.

I still haven't gone back to black shoes for anything other than job interviews and black tie, though.
post #2732 of 3294
I love black shoes with grey flannel suits and a navy or black knit.
post #2733 of 3294
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I love black shoes with grey flannel suits and a navy or black knit.

Amen.

I pull out my black double monks to wear with my navy suit, grey flannels and jeans with a black cashmere rollneck.
post #2734 of 3294

I can never understand the American objection to Black Shoes.

post #2735 of 3294
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Originally Posted by MrTRC View Post

I can never understand the American objection to Black Shoes.

There really isn't one. Guys all over the country wear black shoes and never give it a second thought. The only place where wearing black shoes is an issue, that I know of, is Styleforum.
post #2736 of 3294

I think there are a number of concepts which we think SF regularly objects to but actually does not. Black shoes being one of them. I don't think I've seen anyone object to black shoes with a blazer type rig since I've been on SF. Which hasn't been super long, admittedly. I only have a single pair because of how much I like brown (in terms of shoes, ties, and belts).

 

Black shoes are particularly wonderful in an outfit with a lot of cool hues.

post #2737 of 3294

I've never gotten the sense that there's a blanket condemnation of black shoes on SF.   If there is it's certainly not reflected in the patterns of 'thumbing' on WAYWRN.

 

I always wear black shoes with gray suits, even light gray.  (In the case of a light gray suit with black shoes I'll wear a dark tie, so both the top half and bottom half have light and dark elements.)

 

I'll also wear black with my midnight blue suit.   With true navy I might wear either black or brown shoes.  The lighter the blue the more likely I am to wear brown shoes, (and the lighter the blue the lighter the brown, in the best of all possible worlds/wardrobes).  With a light blue suit I would never wear black.

 

Cheers,

 

Ac

post #2738 of 3294
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Originally Posted by GusW View Post


There really isn't one. Guys all over the country wear black shoes and never give it a second thought. The only place where wearing black shoes is an issue, that I know of, is Styleforum.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Claghorn View Post
 

I think there are a number of concepts which we think SF regularly objects to but actually does not. Black shoes being one of them. I don't think I've seen anyone object to black shoes with a blazer type rig since I've been on SF. Which hasn't been super long, admittedly. I only have a single pair because of how much I like brown (in terms of shoes, ties, and belts).

 

Black shoes are particularly wonderful in an outfit with a lot of cool hues.

I like black shoes just fine with city looks. Like Claghorn, I just own and wear a lot more brown ones.

post #2739 of 3294
Thread Starter 

With out being reductive about it, here's a kind of "simplicity" idea (and I'm not claiming this is what Manton had in mind...I haven't read the entire thread): reduce number of patterns.

 

Again, this isn't meant to be a rule, reduction of elegance/simplicity, but just for discussion.

 

Four pattern is really hard to pull off (as we've discussed...usually train wrecks), and three I think more difficult than we allow. Lately, I've been gravitating to two patterns, and even in that, there's plenty for visual interest. Here's today's fit (last gasp of summer fit):

 

 

 

To critique myself, I'd have preferred larger (bengal/candy) stripes on the shirt, but set that aside. Two distinct patterns, with varying stripes (shirt/tie) and the checked square (navy/gold). There's enough visual interest here for me that would have been spoiled by a third, distinct pattern in the tie. One could do it, and perhaps coherently, but why?

 

But question for you all: why three over two, or four over three?  

post #2740 of 3294
To me, the simplicity that's being implied in stage three, isn't just a matter of reducing patterns, but in achieving the dress sense to effortlessly and consistently put together tasteful combinations. The actual number of patterns should be merely incidental. Most of all, it should never look like you try something out.
A fine example of a stage three dresser in my opinion is @NOBD whose outfits always look effortless and deceptively simple, while actually most of the time there's a lot going on in subtle interplay between colour, pattern and texture. But you never really notice it, because you see the whole, not the ingredients. Then, he has a few signature style choices like monochrome ties and always suede shoes, that give enough individuality without stressing it too much. Finally, everything always fits perfectly.
post #2741 of 3294
Thread Starter 

NOBD was/is a great poster. I agree completely. @EliodA 

post #2742 of 3294

Can anyone in this thread point me to where we last had a substantive discussion about charcoal trousers in odd-jacket fits?  I know there's a robust, relatively recent discussion somewhere but for the life of me, I can't find it using the search function.  

post #2743 of 3294
Charcoal odd trousers. Blech.
post #2744 of 3294
Thread Starter 

I have a pair (dark gray). I do a northern lights look with them which I like. Not versatile, but they have their place. 

 

I certainly wouldn't recommend getting them over something more mid-grey, but they can work nicely with lighter jackets.

post #2745 of 3294

This thread is starting to give me the same Groundhog's day feeling as the GNAT...

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