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post #2716 of 3111
Piob, was that offhand or bench rested?

A 12 gauge shotgun is a low intensity round. You would be way better off firing a shotgun in the confines of a building than any center fire rifle and a lot of common defensive handgun calibers. You can easily test this by firing a shotgun, rifle and a handgun at the range without hearing protection. (Yeah I know it's unwise to do this) I hunt with all three types of guns I mentioned and short of a 22LR rifle the shotgun is much more tolerable on the ears. Oh and muzzle breaks tends to make them much louder on you too.

Worrying about ear protection during a home invasion is generally ill advised. This is a circumstance where the keep it simple rule applies. The less you have to worry about the better off you are. You'll have a hard enough time just remembering to take the safety off.
post #2717 of 3111
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Originally Posted by Crane's View Post

I can throw out a 100 handgun loads that will go through a house. The real point of the argument boils down to this. You select ammo based on a set of criteria. If over penetration is your prime concern then you get ammo that is designed to mitigate that. If penetration and the ability to defeat barriers is your prime concern then you get ammo that performs that duty. Ammo selection is as important, if not more so, than what gun you use. Take that with a grain of salt too because you can pick the wrong gun for the job as well.

 

This is exactly the reason why I took issue with your comment. You made the statement that the "average" 5.56 doesn't penetrate as much as .40 without giving this poor bastard the information that SP and HP .223 rounds were the subject of that test. In fact, the "average" 5.56 was not the subject of any test that has given results like that. For all you know he, or someone else reading this, goes out and buys a box of FMJ 5.56 M855 to defend his home with and ends up punching holes in the neighbor's house because he thought they wouldn't penetrate as far. You can't give dudes partial information like that when it comes to these kinds of things.

post #2718 of 3111
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Originally Posted by anginaprinzmetal View Post

what kind/brand are those ?

 

There are half a dozen brands that make so called electronic hearing protection. I used Peltors overseas, and continue to use them here at home. Great set of ears.

post #2719 of 3111
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Originally Posted by Crane's View Post

Piob, was that offhand or bench rested?

Not sure how to answer. I am right handed but my left eye is by far the stronger eye. I use my left hand to pull the trigger, my right to rest the barrel in and I put the stock butt into my left shoulder.
post #2720 of 3111

He means, did you support the rifle on something when you shot it, or did you simply hold it without anything supporting it.

post #2721 of 3111
Hmmm, still not sure how to answer. So the range I just joined has chairs to sit in, and a chair level "bench" with a sort of kidney shaped curve for both left and right handed shooters. So I sit down in the chair, rest my left elbow on the "bench" and shoot away.

Am I sucking or what?
post #2722 of 3111
So it sounds like you're shooting offhand while sitting since you aren't resting the barrel of your rifle on a support block to keep it steady.

Edit: actually nvm, since you're resting your elbows on the bench.
Edited by GreenFrog - 11/13/13 at 6:27pm
post #2723 of 3111
Would you guys just succinctly tell me why I suck? Learning is good for me.
post #2724 of 3111

Shooting with your elbow resting on the ground, or a bench, is still considered "unsupported". Bench rest generally means you have a support to rest the weapon on, as in this pic... This is used to attain greater degrees of accuracy, since you take some of the human variables out of the equation, such as steady position. He was probably asking because those groups you shot would be pretty decent for a beginner at 100 yds without a rest.

 

post #2725 of 3111
I've made no secret of what a beginner I am relatively speaking. Not using anything like that picture. My $29 (misquoted the price previously) scope is puny compared to that huge thing.

So, I don't suck? Here's my scope: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001RMWTJA/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i02?ie=UTF8&psc=1
post #2726 of 3111
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

I've made no secret of what a beginner I am relatively speaking. Not using anything like that picture. My $29 (misquoted the price previously) scope is puny compared to that huge thing.

So, I don't suck? Here's my scope: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001RMWTJA/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i02?ie=UTF8&psc=1

No, you're hopeless, just send the 10/22 my way.
post #2727 of 3111
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Originally Posted by Caustic Man View Post

Shooting with your elbow resting on the ground, or a bench, is still considered "unsupported". Bench rest generally means you have a support to rest the weapon on, as in this pic... This is used to attain greater degrees of accuracy, since you take some of the human variables out of the equation, such as steady position. He was probably asking because those groups you shot would be pretty decent for a beginner at 100 yds without a rest.

So those groups were about 1.5 inches on the last two groups. What would a good shooter do?
post #2728 of 3111
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post


So those groups were about 1.5 inches on the last two groups. What would a good shooter do?

 

That's a loaded question (no pun intended). It depends on a lot of factors like ammo quality, environmental conditions like wind, what the shooter has practiced on, etc. You can have a world class shotgun shooter who can't shoot a rifle for anything, for instance. If we are talking about a stock 10/22, a rudimentary scope, decent ammo, and decent conditions outside, I might be able to shave 1/2 an inch off of those groups. Might even be able to get it down to sub MOA on a good day. But I am by no means an excellent shooter. Just messed around with a 10/22 a lot.

post #2729 of 3111
Yes. Its hard to give a precise answer since accuracy by the shooter is so driven by the shooter's position, and your position was a non-standard one (not a dig). Your position was probably closer to benchrest than offhand, GFs comment notwithstanding, because no one actually rests a rifle barrel. the gun+decent ammo combo is probably only good for 1MOA or so.

My father was a decent .22 shot, and shot competitively. From the prone position with his Anschutz, he'd put a five shot string into one ragged hole.

I think you are doing great! My favorite 10/22 upgrade was the most expensive - a Volquartsen trigger.

~H
post #2730 of 3111
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Originally Posted by Huntsman View Post

Your position was probably closer to benchrest than offhand, GFs comment notwithstanding, because no one actually rests a rifle barrel.

 

It was still off hand since he didn't have a rest for his rifle. His rifle was resting "off of his hand", therefore it was "offhand".

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