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post #2236 of 3062
I didn't pay over MSRP for a single thing I purchased. Bought from legitimate (read: not Cheaper than Dirt and their tactic of "we're not selling ARs" after the massacre and then a week later selling them for hundreds over retail) retailers, and backordered things that weren't in stock. The lower I ordered was going for $250-300 on gunbroker before I backordered it... I paid $120. In fact, with shipping included, I paid less for my upper and lower than people were paying on the auction sites for just the lower alone.

My brother's buying a colt AR-15 later this year, so he backordered 10 magazines for him and me. I think he ordered them for like $12 and change.

I'm actually under what I projected I would have to pay for this build. Surprising considering how the market is right now. I'm assuming handgun ammo is in the clear, because I'm taking my CHL class as soon as I can get in (so probably not until february) and want to get more time in at the range.
post #2237 of 3062
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Originally Posted by Bakes11771 View Post

Yup, I've two other Beretta over/unders

 

a 682 LTD (Numbered Limited Edition) (Sporting Clays)

 

 

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And a DT10 Skeet with Briley Ultimate Ultra Light Sub-Guage Tubes

 

 

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...Which I'll be using tomorrow.

 

One day if I am successful enough I might buy a Perazzi or Krieghoff, but you end up only shooting skeet with one gun, even if you have multiple.

 

 

Very nice and my main Skeet gun is also a Beretta that comes from your neck of the woods in a 682\687 custom hybrid. I consider Skeet mental masturbation for my mind, at least until I drop one. Todd Bender uses 2 guns the last I knew. For the 12 ga. event he uses or always has used an 1100 for the reduced recoil that the gas operation provides. If you shoot enough and after enough years the yips, flinch, what ever you want to call it sets in. And you find your self pulling the EELL stock off your Joel Etchen custom combo skeet gun:

 

 

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To put on an ugly as sin PFS:

 

 

But they do work. After 4 years I have managed to wean myself off it and have the wood back on. I only shoot 1 oz. at 1200 fps or less though. I have loaded as low as 3/4 oz. in the 12 but in cold weather like it gets here you end up with bloopers. To the left of this is my dog sitting in a keg of Red Dot gunpowder that I purchased in 83 after taking the Coral Sea around the world. Before that  I was getting 1 lb. canisters, that was the first keg of powder I bought and now we are restricted to 8 lb. at a time. I have also switched to Clays powder for the 12 standard load.

 

 

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Originally Posted by PhiPsi32 View Post

My associate shoots skeet with a 14" Remington 870 Vang Comp system. Blows my mind. 

 

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Originally Posted by Bakes11771 View Post

How's he do with it?

 

My gun club has a "Pump Gun Challenge" competition every year.  This is my only pump gun, but I thought about using it.  Maybe I could put a stock on it for that purpose, but it'd still be just as ridiculous.

 

 

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If you start out on a pump and shoot it enough it is natural. Growing up near Ithaca in the 60's and 70's if you didn't shoot a 37 you were considered some type of damn communist LOL. This summer I shot a couple of rounds with one of my pumps and heard one of the guys on the squad behind me say watching a pro playing the trombone was a thing of beauty. Of course my head got big and I dropped the next bird. Rudy Etchen who was the father of Joel Etchen Guns in Pa. where my combo came from set all type of records with a 870. And used a steep radius pistol grip on his shotguns. He used to go around giving demonstrations on how effective the pistol grip was by using one with the rest of the buttstock sawed off, pretty much like the combat model above.

post #2238 of 3062
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Originally Posted by Verf View Post

What is there to say?
I live in a very safe neighbourhood in a very safe major metropolitan city with a very very low crime rate. Also due to gun control, the vast vast majority of people do not own guns in the city and I feel very safe because that is the way it is. No random shoot-outs for me. No need for a gun.
Thank god I don't own guns.

How is life in Singapore? Ever been caned?
post #2239 of 3062
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Originally Posted by Krish the Fish View Post

I didn't pay over MSRP for a single thing I purchased. Bought from legitimate (read: not Cheaper than Dirt and their tactic of "we're not selling ARs" after the massacre and then a week later selling them for hundreds over retail) retailers, and backordered things that weren't in stock. The lower I ordered was going for $250-300 on gunbroker before I backordered it... I paid $120. In fact, with shipping included, I paid less for my upper and lower than people were paying on the auction sites for just the lower alone.
My brother's buying a colt AR-15 later this year, so he backordered 10 magazines for him and me. I think he ordered them for like $12 and change.
I'm actually under what I projected I would have to pay for this build. Surprising considering how the market is right now. I'm assuming handgun ammo is in the clear, because I'm taking my CHL class as soon as I can get in (so probably not until february) and want to get more time in at the range.

I'm having a hard time finding 9mm ammo locally and even when it is in stock, price has gone up. Range claims that it was more expensive for them to get too...

at least I have some JHPs here for backup.
post #2240 of 3062
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Originally Posted by Cold Iron View Post

 

Very nice and my main Skeet gun is also a Beretta that comes from your neck of the woods in a 682\687 custom hybrid. I consider Skeet mental masturbation for my mind, at least until I drop one. Todd Bender uses 2 guns the last I knew. For the 12 ga. event he uses or always has used an 1100 for the reduced recoil that the gas operation provides. If you shoot enough and after enough years the yips, flinch, what ever you want to call it sets in. And you find your self pulling the EELL stock off your Joel Etchen custom combo skeet gun:

 

 

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

1000

 

 

To put on an ugly as sin PFS:

 

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

 

But they do work. After 4 years I have managed to wean myself off it and have the wood back on. I only shoot 1 oz. at 1200 fps or less though. I have loaded as low as 3/4 oz. in the 12 but in cold weather like it gets here you end up with bloopers. To the left of this is my dog sitting in a keg of Red Dot gunpowder that I purchased in 83 after taking the Coral Sea around the world. Before that  I was getting 1 lb. canisters, that was the first keg of powder I bought and now we are restricted to 8 lb. at a time. I have also switched to Clays powder for the 12 standard load.

 

 

 

 

If you start out on a pump and shoot it enough it is natural. Growing up near Ithaca in the 60's and 70's if you didn't shoot a 37 you were considered some type of damn communist LOL. This summer I shot a couple of rounds with one of my pumps and heard one of the guys on the squad behind me say watching a pro playing the trombone was a thing of beauty. Of course my head got big and I dropped the next bird. Rudy Etchen who was the father of Joel Etchen Guns in Pa. where my combo came from set all type of records with a 870. And used a steep radius pistol grip on his shotguns. He used to go around giving demonstrations on how effective the pistol grip was by using one with the rest of the buttstock sawed off, pretty much like the combat model above.

Ever consider a release trigger for your flinch?

post #2241 of 3062
I bought a Spikes Tactical carbine on the 17th and decided to forego adding some lowers to the order. ARmageddon happened in the meantime and by the time my 10 day waiting period was up, I could have flipped a couple of lowers to pay for everything. This panic buying is crazy. $1/round for .223? Insanity reigns.
post #2242 of 3062

It will pass  .  .  .

post #2243 of 3062
I have been wanting a pistol for a long time. I have shot in the past, but never owned a gun. I want out of a gun something I can shot at a range easily, use for home protection, and really just learn with.

I received as a gift a marksmanship course (2 sessions). I know it covers more than just shooting (cleaning, safety, etc...). I assume I will enjoy shooting and probably join with the range. It's 5 minutes from my office so shooting over lunch or after work is very accessible.

As a beginner with no clue, any thoughts or recommendations? The range stocks a ton of Springfield Armory guns. I assume they will push these for sales. What caliber?
post #2244 of 3062

No offense, but this is kind of a silly question.  Everybody will give you a different answer based on their own preferences, but what I think you should do is buy whatever you like best.  Buy a used gun that appeals to you now with your limited knowledge, and then once you get more in to it you will learn what you do and don't like.  Then you can trade it in on something that you like better.

 

.22s are good for the range because the ammo is cheap, but they aren't the best for self-defense.

 

.45s are great for self-defense, but not so great for the range.

 

I think most people in your situation buy a Glock because it sounds cool and they hear about them in rap songs and see them in movies, and they want to feel cool talking about their "Glock".  (Not saying you are that type of person, or that Glocks are bad guns)  What I am saying is that new gun owners usually buy something based on what they think their preferences are, and soon after discover their true preferences.

 

9mm is easy to find, relatively cheap and has decent stopping power.  That might be a good place to start until you figure out what you like better.

post #2245 of 3062
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Originally Posted by Bakes11771 View Post

Ever consider a release trigger for your flinch?

 

I have tried to avoid having that big red R sticker on any of my guns. They are very common with Trap shooters and I have even seen a Benelli Super Sport converted to a release trigger, the guy was shooting 20k rounds a year in Sporting Clays at the time. Because of all the hunting I do never wanted to go the release trigger route. Nothing against those that do however. It took several years and a lot of work dry firing at a Terry Jordon wall chart with snap caps but have it under control for the most part. 

post #2246 of 3062
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Originally Posted by Bakes11771 View Post

No offense, but this is kind of a silly question.  Everybody will give you a different answer based on their own preferences, but what I think you should do is buy whatever you like best.  Buy a used gun that appeals to you now with your limited knowledge, and then once you get more in to it you will learn what you do and don't like.  Then you can trade it in on something that you like better.

 

.22s are good for the range because the ammo is cheap, but they aren't the best for self-defense.

 

.45s are great for self-defense, but not so great for the range.

 

I think most people in your situation buy a Glock because it sounds cool and they hear about them in rap songs and see them in movies, and they want to feel cool talking about their "Glock".  (Not saying you are that type of person, or that Glocks are bad guns)  What I am saying is that new gun owners usually buy something based on what they think their preferences are, and soon after discover their true preferences.

 

9mm is easy to find, relatively cheap and has decent stopping power.  That might be a good place to start until you figure out what you like better.

 

Without knowing more about him as a shooter, that's pretty much what I think anyone will recommend, and for good reason. A 9mm has acceptable stopping power as well as a more manageable recoil for someone who doesn't have that much shooting experience (compared to a .45). Since he can't narrow it down to calibers, I'm going to assume he shoots very infrequently, and I'm not holding that against him, just using that as a basis for that recommendation.

 

Now, some people might recommend a .40, but I've found that for someone who doesn't shoot that often, the additional cost of that ammo will discourage them from actually practicing their shooting, and that's a problem. It would be much better to be effective and confident with a lower caliber than sloppy with a larger one.

 

If you want a gun that really won't take much effort to learn or maintain, pick up a Glock 17 or 19 (9mm full-size or compact), depending on what feels comfortable. They're reliable first guns at a reasonable price point, with parts available everywhere. M&Ps and XDs can also be nice. It just depends on what you think you like at this point, what feels comfortable, and how much you want to spend. 

 

One last thing I want to note, though, is that, while a subcompact might seem cool at first, I would recommend going with a pistol that actually fills your hand at first (compact or full-size).

 

An even better idea would be to narrow it down to the guns you like and go to a range that rents guns so you can try them out with a friend before making a final decision.

post #2247 of 3062
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Originally Posted by TheSizzle View Post

Without knowing more about him as a shooter, that's pretty much what I think anyone will recommend, and for good reason. A 9mm has acceptable stopping power as well as a more manageable recoil for someone who doesn't have that much shooting experience (compared to a .45). Since he can't narrow it down to calibers, I'm going to assume he shoots very infrequently, and I'm not holding that against him, just using that as a basis for that recommendation.

Now, some people might recommend a .40, but I've found that for someone who doesn't shoot that often, the additional cost of that ammo will discourage them from actually practicing their shooting, and that's a problem. It would be much better to be effective and confident with a lower caliber than sloppy with a larger one.

If you want a gun that really won't take much effort to learn or maintain, pick up a Glock 17 or 19 (9mm full-size or compact), depending on what feels comfortable. They're reliable first guns at a reasonable price point, with parts available everywhere. M&Ps and XDs can also be nice. It just depends on what you think you like at this point, what feels comfortable, and how much you want to spend. 

One last thing I want to note, though, is that, while a subcompact might seem cool at first, I would recommend going with a pistol that actually fills your hand at first (compact or full-size).

An even better idea would be to narrow it down to the guns you like and go to a range that rents guns so you can try them out with a friend before making a final decision.

This is some pretty sound advice. I recently made my first purchase and weighed all of this - ultimately settled on an hk p30 9mm. 9mm ammunition is relatively easy to find and inexpensive, meaning I'm more likely to practice.

Definitely try to shoot different manufacturers and calibers to see what is comfortable for you. You may also want to try taking some classes before you purchase - e.g. ,NRA basic pistol and personal protection in the home. I took those classes before buying - tried a number of different manufacturers and calibers too. In the end, I think it made me much more comfortable with my choice.
post #2248 of 3062
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Originally Posted by kuslamb View Post

I have been wanting a pistol for a long time. I have shot in the past, but never owned a gun. I want out of a gun something I can shot at a range easily, use for home protection, and really just learn with.
I received as a gift a marksmanship course (2 sessions). I know it covers more than just shooting (cleaning, safety, etc...). I assume I will enjoy shooting and probably join with the range. It's 5 minutes from my office so shooting over lunch or after work is very accessible.
As a beginner with no clue, any thoughts or recommendations? The range stocks a ton of Springfield Armory guns. I assume they will push these for sales. What caliber?

 

The comments here are spot on.  Though I would suggest that "stopping power" is not a good way to describe the quality of a handgun cartridge.  The bottom line is whether or not you can hit what you are aiming for.  A .45ACP round that doesn't hit its target is worthless.  The 9mm is definitely my choice for a beginner.  It is cheaper.  And you want a round you can afford to practice with.  If you don't practice and have fun shooting, the gun's value is severley diminsihed for whatever purpose you buy it for. 

 

I also recommend Glock.  Particularly, I recommend used Glocks.  They are hardy guns that require minimal maintenance.  They are also easy to shoot. A used Glock can be a great value and fun to shoot.  Best of luck.

post #2249 of 3062
If you're not looking at competitive or a lot of recreational shooting, stay with the new generation safe action trigger models. SW M&P, Glock, HK LEM, Walther. Try as many as you can to see which fits your hands best.

Forget .40SW, especially in Glocks. Too much muzzle blast to be worth it. 9x19 is the minimum and is sufficient in modern bullet designs. If you are limited to non expanding ammo or have major backstop issues, .45.
post #2250 of 3062
All the replies are very helpful. I understand how difficult my question is to answer as few details are offered and its such a personal taste.

I foresee having a few guns. I have really enjoyed shooting in the past so feel that once I get comfortable with the weapons, range, etc... I think I will shoot somewhat frequently. Price is of course a concern, but not a major one.

From what I have read, 9mm is popular for the reasons previously mentioned - affordable, readily available, easy to shoot. I think I may head this way.

I would say my most pressing concern is safety. I have a 3 year old child + one due in a month. As such, I have actually researched heavily on the quick release safes (fingerprint, combination) as well as other safety mechanisms. It appears there is always a trade off between safety and accessibility.
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