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post #2176 of 3148

Crystal clear.  I would hope this can remain a gentlemanly thread.

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Edited by PhiPsi32 - 12/16/12 at 9:37am
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Gentlemen, this is not a CEsspool thread. Please feel free to debate the topic here: http://www.styleforum.net/t/327638/gun-appreciation-in-the-cesspool/0_30 Several of your posts have been moved to this thread. Future CE-style posts will simply be deleted. Thank you.
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Thought I could get some input from you gents. I grew up shooting, fishing and hunting. I had to give up my collection when I moved to NYC. Having recently moved from the city, I have the opportunity to start my collection again, except doing it the right way now. Rather than simply buy whatever stikes me for the day, I want timeless pieces. Prefering bird and waterfowl hunting to deer (at least with guns), my thought was to get a semi-automatic 20 gauge. Any thoughts to brands? I happen to like the Benelli's, but am not sure as to their quality today. Any thoughts?

As per a handgun, I have always wanted a 1911 style .45, particularly the customization options. I liked my SIG220, it was a bit spartan for my tastes now. Where is a good place to start looking there? Kimber's were just starting to be distributed when I left the hobby. From what I can tell they still seem to be a solid gun.

Thanks in advance for any insight you can provide.
post #2180 of 3148

For every 1 person you ask, you will get a different answer.

 

You might look at Berettas automatics.  Some of them are ugly, but they have come a long way in reliability in the past 10-15 years.  My best friend had a new one in 1998 and it jammed a lot.  I think it was due to the light weight of the moving parts.  I shot a new one earlier this fall that another guy loaned me, and it cycled very fast and smooth.  I shot very well with it too. (grouse walk-up skeet, a game that might be exclusive to my gun club, but i'm not sure about that).  I hunt with a Beretta over-under, but I think an automatic would be more versatile in the sense that it could be more easily used to hunt duck and also for upland birds.

 

Don't quote me on this, but I think I remember hearing that the benelli and beretta automatics have similar designs.  I want to say that beretta owns benelli, but I'm not sure about that.  Others may be able to confirm or deny.

 

I've been eyeing the Ithica pumps lately.  I realize that they have moved factories and changed ownership several times since they earned their renowned reputation, but from what I can tell, the design is still the same.  I think its really cool how they eject through the bottom of the receiver. (not inexpensive for a pump gun though).

 

I have a Kimber (Ultra Carry II) and LOVE it.  A lot of people hate them.  I have not had any reliability problems with mine.  Bought it used, and it looked pretty beat up, but I changed the grips, slide catch, thumb safety, grip safety, and hammer, and now it looks practically brand new.  There are plenty of aftermarket parts out there for any brand 1911.  A lot of them are interchangeable.  I actually may be moving to NYC shortly, but my dad still lives on long island where I grew up, so at least I could keep my pistols there.  Won't get to shoot them, much, but I'd hate to let them go.

 

 

1000

post #2181 of 3148
Timeless semi auto shotguns.....

Hmmmm, Browning A5 or a Remington 1100 are the first two that come to mind.
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My dad has three 1100s (12,20,28) all bought in the 60's, and also its predecessor the Model 58.  This might inflame a lot of people who own them, but I have noticed that the 1100s that have been produced more recently are not as reliable.  I think they may have moved to production site since they first started making them.  Not saying that the new ones are bad guns, but I see a lot of people experiencing jams with them (just yesterday for example, but I see it quite often).  I've never seen my dads jam and have seen literally thousands of rounds go through it (mostly the 12ga.)  Also, he has only cleaned the piston two or three times in about 20 years.

 

Others may have different experience with the newer 1100's, but I just thought some people might find my perspective interesting.

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Originally Posted by Bakes11771 View Post

My dad has three 1100s (12,20,28) all bought in the 60's, and also its predecessor the Model 58.  This might inflame a lot of people who own them, but I have noticed that the 1100s that have been produced more recently are not as reliable.  I think they may have moved to production site since they first started making them.  Not saying that the new ones are bad guns, but I see a lot of people experiencing jams with them (just yesterday for example, but I see it quite often).  I've never seen my dads jam and have seen literally thousands of rounds go through it (mostly the 12ga.)  Also, he has only cleaned the piston two or three times in about 20 years.

Others may have different experience with the newer 1100's, but I just thought some people might find my perspective interesting.

If i could take my fathers 1100 i would def do that. The 1100 I owned seemed to always jam on me at the worse time. Had i abused it, I could understand, but I babied that thing. haha. I ended up using my cheap mossberg pump more than I did that.

Benelli was purchased Beretta in 2000ish.
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^^^ I think the consensus is to move this type of discussion to the CE section  .  .  .

post #2185 of 3148
For the life of me I have absolutely no idea why anyone would want a 1911 made by anyone other than Colt or a government contractor, or, for that matter, made by anyone after 1990. I would buy a Ballester Molina before I would buy any modern 1911.
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For the life of me I have absolutely no idea why anyone would want a 1911 made by anyone other than Colt or a government contractor, or, for that matter, made by anyone after 1990. I would buy a Ballester Molina before I would buy any modern 1911.

Because the tolerances can be much better, and the trigger much nicer?

I like my STI 1911, and that is considered basic compared to what I see being used out here in IPSC matches (USPSA for you guys)
post #2187 of 3148
Trigger job? That's what gunsmiths are for.

Tolerances? The 1911 wasn't designed for tight tolerances. A reliable 1911 has to have some rattle to it. It was never meant to be a target pistol, which is why shooting targets with one can be fun. But if you want quarter sized groups at 25 yards, and that's all, a 1911 makes no sense.
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Originally Posted by Hayward View Post

Trigger job? That's what gunsmiths are for.
Tolerances? The 1911 wasn't designed for tight tolerances. A reliable 1911 has to have some rattle to it. It was never meant to be a target pistol, which is why shooting targets with one can be fun. But if you want quarter sized groups at 25 yards, and that's all, a 1911 makes no sense.

Agreed - but the trigger is still second to none when done right, and many better brands offer a very good trigger out the box.

Perhaps you've identified the reason - different usage for the gun.

My 1911 is sure as hell not a carry gun. I don't think anyone should carry a gun with 0 pre and over travel, and a 2.2oz. trigger pull.

Zero rattle and extreme tolerances (my gun needed about 1500 rounds to cycle properly after hard chroming which added a microscopic thickness of chroming) means that it isn't battlefield reliable, but it sure is more accurate than I can ever be.
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Personally I like mine because: .45ACP, thin (single stack), small (3"barrell), little free play in the trigger, no plastic, reliable, (and handsome).

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New P238 and new C&S safety on my HP:

great pair...i have my 238 on me now.
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