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post #2131 of 2986
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Originally Posted by PhiPsi32 View Post

A few range sessions would be advisable.  Make sure the S&W performs the way you want.  I dry fired an M&P and didn't care for it.  I'm very picky about the trigger reset.  The M&P doesn't have the short crisp reset I look for (such as found on the Glock or H&K LEM trigger).

The M&P stock trigger is just barely bearable for me. But I have the full set of Apex parts--reset assist mechanism, fully machined sear, upgraded striker block, aluminum trigger, and replacement springs. The Apex upgrades don't turn it into a 1911 but they make it the best trigger of any striker fired pistol I have tried.

I will probably go and run 50 rounds down the pipe just to see if everything functions before dropping it with the smith.
post #2132 of 2986
I recommend 300-400 rounds to shakedown a new gun. That's about when you can say its broken in.

If you have custom parts set, that's great. I will suggest that there are vendors like Glock who make a stock gun that's ready to go out of the box.
post #2133 of 2986
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Originally Posted by PhiPsi32 View Post

I recommend 300-400 rounds to shakedown a new gun. That's about when you can say its broken in.

If you have custom parts set, that's great. I will suggest that there are vendors like Glock who make a stock gun that's ready to go out of the box.

I have Glocks. I prefer the M&P grip. I also use mounted lights and the 23 intermittently stovepipes with a light on the rail, which makes it unsuitable for my purposes.
post #2134 of 2986

I personally have not had any malfunctions using a rail mounted light.  Though I seldom use the rail mounted light.  It had limited utility unless you have a holster that accommodates the gun/light combo.

post #2135 of 2986
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Originally Posted by PhiPsi32 View Post

I personally have not had any malfunctions using a rail mounted light.  Though I seldom use the rail mounted light.  It had limited utility unless you have a holster that accommodates the gun/light combo.

I keep lights on all of my railed weapons. I don't carry them outside classes but it is easy enough to get a kydex light bearing holster. Kaluban Cloak makes excellent kydex rigs with a much shorter lead time than more tacticool vendors like Raven Concealment. I have a Kaluban Cloak holster for my light-mounted P229 and it can be used IWB so long as you have a good cover garment.
post #2136 of 2986

As long as it suits your needs, go for it.  Fortune willing, never fire a shot in anger.  Otherwise, shoot straight and stay safe.

post #2137 of 2986
It was quite a day out at the range today. I shot an Armalite AR-50, a Colt AR-15, a Thompson submachine gun, and a Walther PPK. I really enjoyed shooting each of the guns for different reasons, but I felt like my sinuses were going to explode out through my eyeballs after two rounds with the AR-50.
post #2138 of 2986

Oh, nice! I hope the Thompson was a real Class III automatic and not one of the semi-auto repos -- was it the military style with the actuator knob (like a bolt handle) on the side or on the top of the receiver? I've never had more fun shooting anything ever.

 

The AR-50 takes a while to get used to. I've put quite a number of rounds through one and I'm still not sure I'm used to it, though it did not seem as bad to me as the .458 Winchester Magnum from a 'normal' bolt action.

 

~H
 

post #2139 of 2986
My survivalist threak is failing with certainty, what do you guys think of the PTR-91 GI model, I plan to do 7.62 x 39mm ammo given the opportunity to chose. I live in NJ, so I think I'm limited to 10 rnd mags.

Any suggestions on a good scope?

I have a bit more experience with handguns, so in that department I'll probably just get a nice Berreta 92.
post #2140 of 2986
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Originally Posted by SkinnyGoomba View Post

My survivalist threak is failing with certainty, what do you guys think of the PTR-91 GI model, I plan to do 7.62 x 39mm ammo given the opportunity to chose. I live in NJ, so I think I'm limited to 10 rnd mags.
Any suggestions on a good scope?
I have a bit more experience with handguns, so in that department I'll probably just get a nice Berreta 92.

Me haz an offend...

 

Here is my general advice on rifles. If it's for pure survival purposes, don't get one. Unless you're planning to use it to hunt animals to eat or engage in some long range looter removal, a rifle is impractical. 

Why? Here are a few reasons:

1. At close range, a shotgun is a lot more forgiving with shot placement than a rifle. 

2. Overpenetration. If you shoot someone in a urban setting a bullet can travel very far and still carry a lot of kinetic energy(aka potential to hurt people). 

3. You don't need it. If you need a scope to see your target, it's not a threat to you and thus shouldn't be shot. If you want a hunting rifle that's a different matter, but you where rather clear on the fact that you didn't want to go all out like the "proper" survivalists.

 

Also, if you need more than 10 rifle rounds to eliminate your target or you find yourself in a situation where you have to fight off 10+ immediate threats to your life, no rifle in the world is going to save your untrained and/or stupid ass.

 

 

A page or so back in this thread there was a discussion about the "best bullet for stopping power", and while there was no definite winner(there never is) one thing was very clear. Shot placement is THE most important thing when determining how lethal a round is!!! So what does that mean for you? Buy a rifle/shotgun/pistol what ever and practice the hell out of it, until you can use it perfectly while there is a zombie apocalypse and Mila Kunis is working on your nether regions. Or to give you a more realistic scenario, when you are cold, hungry, high on adrenalin, scared shitless and most likely far away from any civilized people. 

post #2141 of 2986
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Originally Posted by Maximator View Post

Me haz an offend...

Here is my general advice on rifles. If it's for pure survival purposes, don't get one. Unless you're planning to use it to hunt animals to eat or engage in some long range looter removal, a rifle is impractical. 
Why? Here are a few reasons:
1. At close range, a shotgun is a lot more forgiving with shot placement than a rifle. 
2. Overpenetration. If you shoot someone in a urban setting a bullet can travel very far and still carry a lot of kinetic energy(aka potential to hurt people). 
3. You don't need it. If you need a scope to see your target, it's not a threat to you and thus shouldn't be shot. If you want a hunting rifle that's a different matter, but you where rather clear on the fact that you didn't want to go all out like the "proper" survivalists.

Also, if you need more than 10 rifle rounds to eliminate your target or you find yourself in a situation where you have to fight off 10+ immediate threats to your life, no rifle in the world is going to save your untrained and/or stupid ass.

Number one is a fallacy. I see people miss targets with a shotgun all the time at close range. At close quarters a shotgun payload has not had time to clear the wad and begin to expand. It's a single projectile so there is no forgiveness in shot placement. The real advantage of a shotgun is massive amounts of energy and the compounding traumatic effect of simultaneous multiple hits or a single hole that's 3/4 inch in diameter.

Number two is also a fallacy to a certain extent. The 5.56 and 5.7 rounds are excellent choices in regard to over penetration. Of course you have to pick the right bullet design for the job or overpentration is an issue with just about everything out there.

Define scope, most of the optics on these types of rifles are excellent for close quarters because of the low magnification and single plane sight acquisition. They're typically faster and easier to acquire than iron sights and they have the benefit of being used for longer ranges when necessary.

There's an old saying, it goes something like this. When you need it and don't have it you sing a different tune. Running out of ammo is never a good thing and neither is reloading and recharging a weapon on the middle of a bad situation. This is a case where more is better.

IMO if you want a black gun get an M4 variant of the AR in 5.56 with flip up tritium iron sights and stick a good ACOG on it with a weapon light underneath and be done with it. You would be very hard pressed to do better than this and you're covered in just about any scenario you can think of.
post #2142 of 2986
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Originally Posted by Huntsman View Post

Oh, nice! I hope the Thompson was a real Class III automatic and not one of the semi-auto repos -- was it the military style with the actuator knob (like a bolt handle) on the side or on the top of the receiver? I've never had more fun shooting anything ever.

The AR-50 takes a while to get used to. I've put quite a number of rounds through one and I'm still not sure I'm used to it, though it did not seem as bad to me as the .458 Winchester Magnum from a 'normal' bolt action.

The Tommy was definitely a Class III. The range doesn't like shots more frequent than one per second, but the friend of mine is a regular, so they don't mind if he occasionally unloads a full clip on a target. If I remember correctly, the actuator knob was on the top. It was a hell of a lot of fun to shoot, but a pretty heavy gun for its size.

The AR-50 was fun for its own reasons, but I don't think I have too much reason to make a habit of firing it. The target was only at 100yds, and it was pretty much impossible to not hit a bulls-eye. On the other hand, I felt like I could just shoot clip after clip with the Walther PPK. What a nice, compact pistol.

My friend inherited four safes of guns from his father, who was a collector. It's amazing to see what he has. When he was telling me that the rounds for the AR-50 were $5 each, I asked him where he buys them. "Well, my Dad had a thousand rounds...", he says.
post #2143 of 2986
No need to be offended Max, I meant for that thread to be more of a discussion about what everyone was doing to be prepared, rather then an advice seeking thread. Maybe I need advice and don't realize it, but that wasn't the intention.

My interest in something like a PTR-91 would be something more in the way of a 'last ditch' had to leave you home and fend for yourself in the woods for a month sort of thing, much less so about defending myself. Plus I wouldn't mind using this as an excuse to spend a little bit more time at the range.

Crane's i have a lot of faith in your expertise in this realm, I like the idea of the ACOG scope. 10 round magazines are not a choice i would make, but NJ is extremely strict in this regard and there is no room for my own choice in the matter.
post #2144 of 2986
Hey not a problem SG. If they limit you ten round mags then buy a dozen of them. I probably need to look at that thread that's being referenced here. I'm sure that what I have on my list and why is going to be far different than most folks.
post #2145 of 2986
Exactly, plus a couple containers....icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif I look forward to hearing your thoughts in the other thread.
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