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post #2116 of 2465
10/5/12 at 7:57am
Interesting clip. Glocks aren't the only guns that fire underwater. As a matter of fact most guns will fire underwater without any ill effects. The trick is they need to be fully submerged so the physics behind all of this works. I've shot a Beretta Bobcat and a 1911 underwater on dares over this urban myth. Glock has done very well in regards to using this myth to sell guns.
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post #2117 of 2465
10/5/12 at 11:02am
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Originally Posted by Crane's View Post

And the Diamondback DB9 fiasco continues. I'm now on my second gun and fifth trip back to the factory for repair. This time around the trigger didn't break, the rear slide block did. 3000 rounds, two guns and it seems I can't get past 5 or 600 rounds without something breaking. I knew I should have went with a Kahr PM9. It's a great concept but unfortunately the execution is a complete train wreck. IMO the entire bottom half of the gun needs to be redesigned and they need to use Ti or machined parts instead of MIM junk.

Last week I was at my LGS picking-up the SR22 I'd ordered and I spotted the DB9. It looks and feels superb. Such a shame the concept was so poorly executed.
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post #2118 of 2465
10/5/12 at 1:57pm
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That's some very scary stuff, is it much better where you live now? I hope so frown.gif

I live in a much nicer neighborhood now, but there have been some very aggressive break-ins lately. The other day, I heard how an old couple in their 80s living just up the street cowered in fear as someone pounded on their door and tried to force it in the middle of the night.
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post #2119 of 2465
10/5/12 at 2:42pm
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Originally Posted by Crane's View Post

Interesting clip. Glocks aren't the only guns that fire underwater. As a matter of fact most guns will fire underwater without any ill effects. The trick is they need to be fully submerged so the physics behind all of this works. I've shot a Beretta Bobcat and a 1911 underwater on dares over this urban myth. Glock has done very well in regards to using this myth to sell guns.

 

Glock offers the maritime spring cups only because Miami-Dade police refused to buy them unless they were certified to fire underwater.  They then leveraged the feature as a selling point.  And why not?

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post #2120 of 2465
10/5/12 at 3:16pm
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Originally Posted by PhiPsi32 View Post

Glock offers the maritime spring cups only because Miami-Dade police refused to buy them unless they were certified to fire underwater.  They then leveraged the feature as a selling point.  And why not?

Why would you want to fire a pistol underwater?
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post #2121 of 2465
10/5/12 at 3:32pm

That's what Glock wanted to know.  If you look in the video, you will see the bullet rapidly decelerate.  Bullets don't travel very far underwater.  My guess is that Miami-Dade doesn't want to shoot underwater.  Rather they want a Glock that has been dropped or submerged in water to be able to shoot without taking the time to drain the water from the firing pin channel.  This makes much more sense to me.

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post #2122 of 2465
10/5/12 at 4:21pm
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Originally Posted by PhiPsi32 View Post

That's what Glock wanted to know.  If you look in the video, you will see the bullet rapidly decelerate.  Bullets don't travel very far underwater.  My guess is that Miami-Dade doesn't want to shoot underwater.  Rather they want a Glock that has been dropped or submerged in water to be able to shoot without taking the time to drain the water from the firing pin channel.  This makes much more sense to me.

Yeah that makes sense.
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post #2123 of 2465
10/5/12 at 4:58pm
If memory serves me right Glocks would light strike a lot when fully submerged. That's the reason Glock made the maritime spring cup. The gun didn't have issues firing when yanked from a bucket of water bone stock.

I can see the value of firing a gun underwater. With the right ammo your range wouldn't be much more than arms length but that's all you would need if you were wrestling someone or something in a swamp.
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post #2124 of 2465
10/5/12 at 5:25pm
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Originally Posted by Crane's View Post

If memory serves me right Glocks would light strike a lot when fully submerged. That's the reason Glock made the maritime spring cup. The gun didn't have issues firing when yanked from a bucket of water bone stock.
I can see the value of firing a gun underwater. With the right ammo your range wouldn't be much more than arms length but that's all you would need if you were wrestling someone or something in a swamp.

If the target was damn close maybe, but water just sucks all the energy out of a bullet.

50 Caliber Sniper into Water
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post #2125 of 2465
10/5/12 at 6:11pm
I saw that episode and already know getting a bigger gun doesn't do much for you. I'm talking about a shot where the barrel is in contact with or inches off the target. Imagine an alligator latched to your leg or a cop losing a wrestling match with an assailant in a swamp or other body of water. At contact range a gun is extremely effective underwater.
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post #2126 of 2465
10/5/12 at 6:40pm

Six of one, half dozen of the other.  Suffice to say there are limited benefits to wet firing.  That is to say there is a very narrow range of scenarios in which it is useful.

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post #2127 of 2465
10/11/12 at 10:40am
Picking up an M&P40 tonight. I was going to run it directly to a gunsmith to have TFO sights and the Apex Tactical trigger group installed, but I guess I should probably take it to the range first . . .
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post #2128 of 2465
10/11/12 at 11:56am
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Originally Posted by John Doe View Post

I regret buying a Kahr (CW40). After reading good things about it I bought one, but from the first time I shot the gun it would not cycle completely, the magazine would fall out while shooting, and the slide would not lock rearwards after the last round. After further research I found that this is a common problem with some Kahrs. I called Kahr and they sent me a new magazine release button; it did nothing to fix the problem. I called them back and they had me send the gun in so they can test it out.
I'm waiting now to get it back but from what I've read from other peoples experiences they said Kahr told them that they could not replicate the problems and that nothing was wrong with the gun, so I'm not really expecting much. As far as I'm concerned Kahr makes an inferior product. Utter crap. I've since purchased a Glock and I haven't had any problems what so ever.

I haven't had any problems with my P380, but have not shot it as much as I should, because it's what I carry most often. I remember Hickok45's comment from his P380/PM9 videos, "if they made something this small that said Glock on it, I'd have bought it a long time ago."
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post #2129 of 2465
10/11/12 at 1:25pm
If you haven't shot your carry gun much you should, you don't want to find out there's a problem if you find yourself in a life threatening situation.
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post #2130 of 2465
10/11/12 at 8:19pm

A few range sessions would be advisable.  Make sure the S&W performs the way you want.  I dry fired an M&P and didn't care for it.  I'm very picky about the trigger reset.  The M&P doesn't have the short crisp reset I look for (such as found on the Glock or H&K LEM trigger).

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