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post #2041 of 3062

I found something interesteing while doing research on the 1928 Thompson Submachine Gun. Click on link below, look in column on right. Click on  General Thompson, and read the 3rd paragraph from the bottom of the page.  I've also qouted it below.the link.

 

 

>http://www.nfatoys.com/tsmg/

 

 

 

 

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In 1904 Thompson and Col. Louis A. LaGarde conducted tests to find the caliber most suited for military handgun ammunition. The tests included firing shots into live cattle at a Chicago slaughterhouse, and into human cadavers obtained from medical schools. The conclusion? Large and slow moving bullets of about .45 caliber were much more destructive than smaller bullets moving at high velocity. With this knowledge in hand, Thompson was instrumental in developing the .45 caliber rimless cartridge, later adopted for use in the Colt Model 1911 pistol designed by John Browning. Eventually this same cartridge would be chambered in Thompson's Submachine gun.

post #2042 of 3062

.40S&W and .357SIG was not available in 1904

post #2043 of 3062
For fans of the 1911A!, Sarco just got some very interesting stuff in from Argentina: Ballista-Molinas, Colt Systemas and US-made Colts for the national police. Prices range from 3 to 7 hundred.

I'm going to do some more practice parkerizing runs this weekend, before cooking my M1935 parts the following weekend.
post #2044 of 3062
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Originally Posted by smokeyfan1000 View Post

I found something interesteing while doing research on the 1928 Thompson Submachine Gun. Click on link below, look in column on right. Click on  General Thompson, and read the 3rd paragraph from the bottom of the page.  I've also qouted it below.the link.


>http://www.nfatoys.com/tsmg/




If you read the actual results of the Thompson-LaGarde tests, nothing performed very well, and the cartridge that dropped a bovine the fastest was the .30 Luger...because it hit it in the right place. The testing was a very sloppy piece of work: The animals shot varied considerably by age, sex and especially weight, some weighed about 500 pounds more than others. My late friend Jack Lott once remarked to me that if the Thompson LaGarde test had been a high school science project, it probably wouldn't have gotten better than a "C."

The Strasbourg Goat Tests were vastly better science.
post #2045 of 3062
Do we need to bring DocGKR in here?

The consensus among working pros these days that between modern bullet designs, and assessing form factor related issues such as magazine capacity, plus perceived recoil and second shot capability, that the difference between the most common service pistol calibers is neglible.
post #2046 of 3062
Will someone please explain this new sport of "Zombie Shooting" to me? It seems to have grown rapidly since I retired from the business two years ago. I have seen these Zombie targets for sale, but I just assumed they were fun targets.

Is it just supposed to be a more fun variant of the action shooting sports, since the targets are certainly more fun than Milparks, etc.? Or is it somewhat different from anything previous? If so, in what ways? It sounds pretty childish to me.
post #2047 of 3062

It's the Mayan Apocalypse mythos plus shows like the "Walking Dead" amplified to the consumer market.  My associate built a series of AR15s with "Zombie Hunter" branded parts which have sold very well.  It's a fad.

 

This is just an example, not the aforementioned AR

post #2048 of 3062
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Originally Posted by JLibourel View Post

Will someone please explain this new sport of "Zombie Shooting" to me? It seems to have grown rapidly since I retired from the business two years ago. I have seen these Zombie targets for sale, but I just assumed they were fun targets.
Is it just supposed to be a more fun variant of the action shooting sports, since the targets are certainly more fun than Milparks, etc.? Or is it somewhat different from anything previous? If so, in what ways? It sounds pretty childish to me.

My take on the whole Zombie craze - it's the PC version of a bad guy that Walter Mitty can shoot guilt-free. In the old days, they used to shoot silhouettes of invading Soviets soldiers or criminals and read 'survivalist' magazines. Now it's all 'prepping' for the coming apocalypse. Even though it might be tongue-in-cheek, zombies are the perfect nemesis for someone who doesn't fancy shooting living human, while still wanting to play some fantasy hero character out. I'm sure some Berkley student of film could do a nice dissertation on zombies as the modern Soviet empire.
post #2049 of 3062
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Originally Posted by PhiPsi32 View Post

It's the Mayan Apocalypse mythos plus shows like the "Walking Dead" amplified to the consumer market.  My associate built a series of AR15s with "Zombie Hunter" branded parts which have sold very well.  It's a fad.

This is just an example, not the aforementioned AR

I see Sig Sauer just released a 1911 that has zombie/bio hazard logos for a limited edition.
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post #2051 of 3062
Finished!

Here is a 1990 FN Hi-Power made in Belgium and sold to the Israeli Boarder Guards. Supposedly the yellow tape was used to identify under-cover friendlies from foes. Sounds ridiculous, I know, but it's the the best explanation I have heard so far.

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Cocobolo checkered grips added, custom trigger job, mag safety removed, C&S 'no-bite' hammer installed, Novak lo-profile hi-viz sights added, barrel throated, feed ramp polished and then the whole thing was parkerized.
post #2052 of 3062
The Spartan thing is almost as ridiculous as the Zombie trope. Sparta as a state was built on slavery and pederasty. Thermopylae was a futile waste of life which did virtually nothing to stop the Persian advance.

That Browning is neat, though. Don't think any of the Israeli surp ones are coming to California, though.
post #2053 of 3062
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Originally Posted by Hayward View Post

The Spartan thing is almost as ridiculous as the Zombie trope. Sparta as a state was built on slavery and pederasty. Thermopylae was a futile waste of life which did virtually nothing to stop the Persian advance..

Re Sparta: Properly "serfdom," not "slavery." Don't know if any state can be "built on" pederasty, but I don't think there is any evidence that the Spartans were any more enthusiastic pederasts than the men of many other Greek cities. (Greek attitudes toward homosexuality varied considerably by city and ethno-linguistic grouping--the Dorian and Aeolic Greeks seem to have been more given to it.)

Thermopylae was arguably a "futile waste of life," but it has stood as an exemplar of heroic self-sacrifice and as an inspiration to men of courage for almost 2,500 years! And let's not forget that the Spartans kicked butt on the Persians a year later at Plataea. Let us also remember that Sparta remained undefeated in open battle for at least 200 years.

That said, Sparta was a very strange state: Probably since the beginning of civilization, certain groups have oppressed others in order to live more luxuriously. The Spartans on the other hand oppressed the helots so that they (the Spartans) could live lives of grim austerity devoted to military training so that they could continue to oppress the helots.

The Spartans were early practitioners of "women's lib" (or women's sports anyway) to the fascination and horror of the other Greeks.

As to "Molon labe," I have long wondered why Leonidas didn't use the plural, "Molontes labete." Presumably he didn't expect a single Persian to try to come and take their weapons.
Edited by JLibourel - 8/21/12 at 5:53pm
post #2054 of 3062
Looks good Justin! Range report time, hope it shoots as good as it looks!
post #2055 of 3062

I think the whole Zombie thing makes gun owners look stupid. I was at a show recently, and there is anti-zombie ammo now. Unbelievable.

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