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post #1951 of 3147

Thank you, gentlemen, for the quick responses. For the moment, the GLOCK is what I have. But I've become increasingly aware just how 'big' this 'little' gun is. I had begun research on a smaller gun, but must admit, I'm still 'gunshy' so to speak of using a smaller caliber. From personnel experience in Iraq, the 9MM failed to incapacitate on two occasions (I was not the shooter, someone else in my squad). But, as you mentioned, ammunition plays a huge part, and we were using simple ball ammo.

 

Does anyone have any experience with the Beretta Nano? I recently had the chance to play around with it and it's highly concealable (far thinner than my GLOCK).

post #1952 of 3147
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Originally Posted by WaistcoatWonder View Post

Thank you, gentlemen, for the quick responses. For the moment, the GLOCK is what I have. But I've become increasingly aware just how 'big' this 'little' gun is. I had begun research on a smaller gun, but must admit, I'm still 'gunshy' so to speak of using a smaller caliber. From personnel experience in Iraq, the 9MM failed to incapacitate on two occasions (I was not the shooter, someone else in my squad). But, as you mentioned, ammunition plays a huge part, and we were using simple ball ammo.

Does anyone have any experience with the Beretta Nano? I recently had the chance to play around with it and it's highly concealable (far thinner than my GLOCK).

As I'm sure you already know, shot placement plays a huge role, as well as other factors. I don't have personal experience with the Nano, but I do favor the Kahr PM9, Ruger LC9, and Kahr P380. I would see if nutnfancy or hickok45 has reviews on the Nano - their reviews tend to be pretty fair and comprehensive.

Someone mentioned pocket carry. I bought my .380 thinking I was going to pocket carry, and quickly ended up carrying it IWB in a kydex holster. Pocket carrying is incredibly inconvenient and cumbersome. Most of the pocket holsters have zero retention (intentional by design), and the firearm only stays in the holster when you're standing up. I had my .380 slip out of a desantis pocket holster several times while sitting down - which is why I never carried it with a round chambered. I switched to the kydex IWB and love the retention I get. I carry it with a round in the chamber, as everyone should, and it carries infinitely better on the waist than any gun will ever carry in your pocket. If you want to move carefree and nearly forget that you're carrying a firearm, carry a small pistol IWB. If you want something flopping around and getting in the way, carry in your pocket.
post #1953 of 3147

I suggested pocket carry actually.  It works very well with the baby Glock in my experience (via Don Hume pocket holster or bare back).  But like any mode of carry, it will vary based on your style of clothing.  In this regard, you have two choices.  Pick a gun that works well with the style of clothing you wear.  Or change your style of clothing to suit the gun you want to carry.

 

Again, experiences will vary from person to person.  You can go, in the waistband, on the waistband, pocket, crotch, ankle, SOB, shoulder rig, belly band.  Whatever you want.  Each has advantages and disadvatages.  Some accomodate a wide variety ofclothing styles.  Others do not.

post #1954 of 3147

Anyone here experienced with NYC gun laws? I'm moving there in a month and have been finding a lot of conflicting information on the web.

 

I know I need permit to even keep guns in my residence and concealed carry is out of the question. Do I need to obtain both a handgun and rifle permit separately?  Also, can I bring an AR 15 that is chambered for .22 LR? I know for sure that I cannot bring my one chambered for 5.56.

 

Thanks guys.

post #1955 of 3147
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Originally Posted by PhiPsi32 View Post

I suggested pocket carry actually.  It works very well with the baby Glock in my experience (via Don Hume pocket holster or bare back).  But like any mode of carry, it will vary based on your style of clothing.  In this regard, you have two choices.  Pick a gun that works well with the style of clothing you wear.  Or change your style of clothing to suit the gun you want to carry.

Again, experiences will vary from person to person.  You can go, in the waistband, on the waistband, pocket, crotch, ankle, SOB, shoulder rig, belly band.  Whatever you want.  Each has advantages and disadvatages.  Some accomodate a wide variety ofclothing styles.  Others do not.

A glock 26/27 is definitely not a pocket gun. I agree with the rest of your post, though.
post #1956 of 3147
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A glock 26/27 is definitely not a pocket gun. I agree with the rest of your post, though.

 

I disagree but respect the fact that your experience has lead you to a different conclusion.

post #1957 of 3147
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I disagree but respect the fact that your experience has lead you to a different conclusion.

Walk into any gun store in America. Tell them you're interested in a pocket gun. If they bring you over to a Glock 26, I'll buy it for you.

Calling a firearm the size of a Glock 26 a pocket gun is nothing but a disservice to the idea that there are appropriate handguns for each situation - and those handguns are further classified into sub-categories. I could fit a Mark 23 in the pocket of some cargo shorts I have - that doesn't make it a pocket gun.
post #1958 of 3147
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Walk into any gun store in America. Tell them you're interested in a pocket gun. If they bring you over to a Glock 26, I'll buy it for you.
Calling a firearm the size of a Glock 26 a pocket gun is nothing but a disservice to the idea that there are appropriate handguns for each situation - and those handguns are further classified into sub-categories. I could fit a Mark 23 in the pocket of some cargo shorts I have - that doesn't make it a pocket gun.

I pretty much agree with this. IMO a Glock 26 is in that class of handguns that's in the transition zone between a "pocket" gun and a full size handgun. It's def easier to pocket a 26 over the 17 or 19 but I don't want to carry any of them pocket style. There's substantial weight and bulk to contend with. Once you carry a true pocket class handgun the difference is like night and day. Everything about carrying concealed becomes much easier. Some common true pocket guns would be the shorter barreled NAA mini revolvers, Ruger LCP or something equivalent.
post #1959 of 3147
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Originally Posted by suited View Post


Walk into any gun store in America. Tell them you're interested in a pocket gun. If they bring you over to a Glock 26, I'll buy it for you.
Calling a firearm the size of a Glock 26 a pocket gun is nothing but a disservice to the idea that there are appropriate handguns for each situation - and those handguns are further classified into sub-categories. I could fit a Mark 23 in the pocket of some cargo shorts I have - that doesn't make it a pocket gun.

 

That's a bold statement, and I generally ignore what gun store staff tell me. In most cases, their recommendations are based on very narrow experience. As I stated, your experience has lead you to one conclusion. My experience has been different. I'm happy to leave it that. I don't recall calling the baby Glock a "pocket gun". While I agree that carrying a Mark 23 in a pocket sounds ridiculous, that does not mean putting a Glock in your pocket is inappropriate. But it can be done, and depending on the garment it works very well (but that can be said of any mode of concealed carry). If you don't like it, don't do it. I don't recommend carrying any gun in a manner that is uncomfortable or inconvenient, again recognizing that in some situations compromises must be made. Stay safe everyone.
post #1960 of 3147
On a side note...

I got my DB9 back from the factory a while ago and have continued my testing and familiarization with the little beast. Turnaround time for the repair was one week. That impresses me a lot. Mechanical devices fail no matter how good they are. My experience with Diamondback Firearms has been phenomenal.

So back to the range for more function testing. If you remember I was working on solving the FTF issues with new mags when the trigger spring broke. To make a long story short the gun is very sensitive to grip. I had no FTF, FTE or any other issue with the gun doing two and three shot rapid fire drills. The failures showed up when I was slow firing the gun for accuracy at longer ranges. My grip, stance and trigger press are different between these two modes of operation. Basically I was limp wristing the gun when shooting for long range accuracy. Firming up the grip and locking the wrist solved the problem. The gun is so light it needs that resistance to the recoil to operate correctly. It's the most sensitive gun I've ever owned in this regard and is something that anyone who owns this gun needs to keep in mind when experiencing FTF/FTE issues.

It took me nearly 1300 rounds of ammo, a trip back to the factory and a little problem solving to decide that this gun is suitable to be used as one of my primary CCW guns.

I'll get around to writing up a full review and posting it on my blog one of these days... I've got a Ruger MK2 Target pistol that needs to be sighted in for a lil squirrel hunting. Shooting a gun is much more fun than writing about shooting a gun!
post #1961 of 3147
ffffuuuu.gif I was running a few mags of the defense ammo I want to use in the DB9 to see if they cycled OK. The friggin trigger spring broke again. Called up Diamondback and it's going back for the second time in less than 2 months. Talked with them a bit and after they found out that I've run about another 700 rounds through it they told me I was basically shooting it too much! Say what? 1300 rounds is too much? I was told it was designed to be shot a little and carried alot. A 3 day pistol class you shoot around 600 rounds through whatever gun. In my experience the gun would fail before the end of the class. WTF is that? Needless to say I'm not happy at all. I can't, in good conscience, recommend this gun to anyone. Once it's fixed I'm going to dump it and buy a Kahr baby 9 or a Sig 938,
post #1962 of 3147
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Originally Posted by WaistcoatWonder View Post

I'm still 'gunshy' so to speak of using a smaller caliber. From personnel experience in Iraq, the 9MM failed to incapacitate on two occasions.


My CCW is a Kahr in .40 caliber. Big bore stopping power in a tiny package. Highly recommended if you want a small gun that shoots something bigger than 9mm.

This is my gun:

http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-MK40-Elite-w-Night-Sights.asp
post #1963 of 3147
I just bought this this morning for concealed carry. I'm anxious to try it out.

post #1964 of 3147
Please post a review when feasible. I'm curious know what the trigger reset is like.
post #1965 of 3147
Will do.fing02[1].gif
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