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The other big difference is that Gretzky was sort of off-limits in terms of how you could play him. He never saw half the harrassment on the ice that Lemieux got, even with his back injuries.


I totally agree with that. Look at a guy like Yzerman. He got the crap beat out of him, a lot. He even had two of the best thugs ever defending him. I watched a lot of Hockey back then and Gretzky was hands off. He never took a hit like Lindros has taken (the faux "next one").
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I totally agree with that. Look at a guy like Yzerman. He got the crap beat out of him, a lot. He even had two of the best thugs ever defending him. I watched a lot of Hockey back then and Gretzky was hands off. He never took a hit like Lindros has taken (the faux "next one").

Being a Wings fan, Yzerman (loved Fedorov too) was my favorite player ever. I don't think you could make the argument that he was better than Gretzky, but he was phenomenal. I was so happy when he finally got his first cup. There was never a more deserving guy imo. How many sought-after players remain with the same organization year after year in this day and age? Yzerman was total class.

As for Lemieux, it's no contest imo. As soon as he stepped in to the NHL he started getting beaten-up. He was a big guy, but it's a lot harder to score when everyone is clutching, grabbing, hitting, and slashing you. If he had been hands-off like gretzky was, and healthy, there's no doubt in my mind that he would have topped some of those records.
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Being a Wings fan, Yzerman (loved Fedorov too) was my favorite player ever. I don't think you could make the argument that he was better than Gretzky, but he was phenomenal. I was so happy when he finally got his first cup. There was never a more deserving guy imo. How many sought-after players remain with the same organization year after year in this day and age? Yzerman was total class.


I remember back in the dark days of how some Detroit fans wanted to get rid of Yzerman. Hopefully a lot of crow was eaten.

Can you imagine how good the Wings would have been had they kept Oates, kept Klima and Probert off the recreational substances, and then got Fedorov when they did? I still shake my head at that Federko trade.
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I remember back in the dark days of how some Detroit fans wanted to get rid of Yzerman. Hopefully a lot of crow was eaten.

Can you imagine how good the Wings would have been had they kept Oates, kept Klima and Probert off the recreational substances, and then got Fedorov when they did? I still shake my head at that Federko trade.

Lol I still remember the Probert thing. You know who I miss? Dino Ciccarelli and Vladmir Konstantinov.
post #20 of 27
Dino was the man.

I think a good analogy for Gretzky and Lemieux is Emmit Smith and Barry Sanders. Can you imagine how pissed off Barry must have been to retire a mediocre (for him) season from the rushing record?

Gretzky was indeed hands off and the Oilers had guys on the bench specifically there to take out anyone that had the nerve to beat on Wayne. Part of the curse of being a big guy in the NHL, with talent, is you are going to get beat on unlike a slightly built guy with talent. It is not fair, but that is just how things are.
post #21 of 27

a quick check of stats from the 90's shows the opinion that lots of players were scoring 140-150 to be incorrect. there were lots of players topping 100 points but noone from the era came close to the production of gretzky, bar lemieux, who would have challenged gretzky if he could stay healthy, but he didn't. his 160 points in 60 games in the 90's is staggering, but no way i would ever take him over gretzky because you would not know if he could finish the game. gretzky wins that one by a mile. not to mention the flawed logic that lemieux dragged a crap team to the stanley cup. look at this roster:
lemieux, kevin stevens, joe mullen, larry murphy, mark recchi, jaromir jagr, paul coffee, ron francis, rick tocchet, brian trottier, ulf samuelsson, tom barrasso....THAT'S 6 HALL OF FAMERS AND TWO MORE DESTINED TO BE ENSHRINED. yeah, some of them were past their best but there is no doubt the idea that he dragged them to the cup is idiotic,
 

post #22 of 27
Gretzky's numbers are impressive and what he did for the sport, the NHL, and Canada will never be disputed. His personal achievements and the fact that he is the classiest man in sports only adds to it.

However, nowadays the average athlete is much bigger and the game is quite different. The guys in the league these days would skate circles around him......he would not have been able to do what he did. I often think he was put on this earth at that particular moment in time for a reason.
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Gretzky's numbers are impressive and what he did for the sport, the NHL, and Canada will never be disputed. His personal achievements and the fact that he is the classiest man in sports only adds to it.

Thats why he's called the "Great One. "

However, nowadays the average athlete is much bigger and the game is quite different. The guys in the league these days would skate circles around him......he would not have been able to do what he did. I often think he was put on this earth at that particular moment in time for a reason.

You can say that about all sports.
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Originally Posted by dragon8 View Post

You can say that about all sports.

Not billiards.
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Originally Posted by Fang66 View Post

Not billiards.

Is that a sport?boxing[1].gif
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Is that a sport?boxing[1].gif

I'm good at it so yes. I can not skate to save my life so I question the sportosity of Ice Hockey. shog[1].gif
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I'm good at it so yes. I can not skate to save my life so I question the sportosity of Ice Hockey. shog[1].gif

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