Also interesting to have a ref number of 5038 on a watch that they only made 500 of.
FYI, for all high end wristwatch, the total production number and the reference number have nothing in common. the production number also known as the serial number (not to confused with the Limited edition number) is like a car VIN. The reference number is the watch model number, a designation like SL500 for a Mercedes. Finally, the Patek ref 5038 does exist, but it has nothing in common with the watch on Ebay, except that it also came with a black dial. William
This post is enough for me. Johnny, if the man is whom you perceive him to be, meaning a California used parts dealer who probably doesn't know the prestige or beauty of a Patek, then he probably doesn't know any better to be out there deceiving people with fakes. You played the game... You risked it by spending $75 on something that you did have even the slightest shadow of a doubt about, and unfortunately it appears you lost this round. I advise you cut your losses, live and learn, but not start trouble with this guy who may be just as genuinely ignorant as we all believe. I don't mean to be an agitator, but it's really your fault man.