Bill Moyers interviews David Simon
You show me anything that depicts institutional progress in America, school test scores, crime stats, arrest reports, arrest stats, anything that a politician can run on, anything that somebody can get a promotion on. And as soon as you invent that statistical category, 50 people in that institution will be at work trying to figure out a way to make it look as if progress is actually occurring when actually no progress is.
MAN: So what's the answer? POLICE MAJOR COLVIN: I'm not sure. But whatever it is, it can't be a lie. [...] BILL MOYERS: But it still is a lie, isn't it? DAVID SIMON: And it always will be. I don't think we have the stomach to actually evaluate this. And-- BILL MOYERS: What do you mean? DAVID SIMON: Well-- BILL MOYERS: We don't have the stomach? DAVID SIMON: Again, we would have to ask ourselves a lot of hard questions. The people most affected by this are black and brown and poor. It's the abandoned inner cores of our urban areas. And we don't, as we said before, economically, we don't need those people. The American economy doesn't need them. So, as long as they stay in their ghettos, and they only kill each other, we're willing to pay a police presence to keep them out of our America. And to let them fight over scraps, which is what the drug war, effectively, is. I don't think-- since we basically have become a market-based culture and it's what we know, and it's what's led us to this sad denouement, I think we're going to follow market-based logic, right to the bitter end. BILL MOYERS: Which says? DAVID SIMON: If you don't need 'em, why extend yourself? Why seriously assess what you're doing to your poorest and most vulnerable citizens? There's no profit to be had in doing anything other than marginalizing them and discarding them.