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post #1996 of 2020
By your logic Apple is not an American company then?

Plus, I thought Linjer was moving their bag production to Italy. They already produced scarves there, I believe.
post #1997 of 2020

Apple is based in Cupertino, California. You don't call yourself basing in Norway or Italy just because you merely source some of your materials from these places (not even manufacturing there, at the bare minimum). If Hong Kong is where you have your corporate bank account, where your company is legally registered, and where you store and ship your goods out from because it facilitates your logistics in terms of manufacturing in China, then just admit it and not play around with words, which is what I am standing up for. I am disappointed because this is what I see most fashion companies are doing nowadays. They assume that consumers will not value their brand as highly after knowing that their products are manufactured in China (on the contrary, assume that the brand value is higher by constantly associating themselves as basing in European countries). Everlane works with manufacturers around the world (https://www.everlane.com/factories) and even with manufacturers in Spain and Italy but you don't hear them saying they are based in these places. They proudly say that they are based in San Francisco. Be transparent and be honest, I think this is what some of us would appreciate and value as consumers today. 

post #1998 of 2020
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Apple is based in Cupertino, California. You don't call yourself basing in Norway or Italy just because you merely source some of your materials from these places (not even manufacturing there, at the bare minimum). If Hong Kong is where you have your corporate bank account, where your company is legally registered, and where you store and ship your goods out from because it facilitates your logistics in terms of manufacturing in China, then just admit it and not play around with words, which is what I am standing up for. I am disappointed because this is what I see most fashion companies are doing nowadays. They assume that consumers will not value their brand as highly after knowing that their products are manufactured in China (on the contrary, assume that the brand value is higher by constantly associating themselves as basing in European countries). Everlane works with manufacturers around the world (https://www.everlane.com/factories) and even with manufacturers in Spain and Italy but you don't hear them saying they are based in these places. They proudly say that they are based in San Francisco. Be transparent and be honest, I think this is what some of us would appreciate and value as consumers today. 

Under your logic, Apple should not say they are based in Cupertino, California because most of their stuff is manufactured in China.
post #1999 of 2020

Like you said, anyone can make-up or call themselves whatever they want today, but ultimately someone is going to call you out for it. 

post #2000 of 2020
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Like you said, anyone can make-up or call themselves whatever they want today, but ultimately someone is going to call you out for it. 

You don't need to call them out on anything. When their first collection launched the fact that the bags were made in China was openly discussed, at least on this forum. For this latest Kickstaret campaign they have a FAQ item that directly speaks to the place of manufacture of the collection (other answers deal with sourcing materials, etc): "The Mini and The Tulip will be made in Italy, and The Canvas Tote, The Linen Tote, The Backpack and The Briefcase will be made in China."
post #2001 of 2020
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Like you said, anyone can make-up or call themselves whatever they want today, but ultimately someone is going to call you out for it. 

But you didn't call out Apple. You actually did the opposite: you gave them a pass. I'm not saying Linjer is beyond reproach, but when your criticism is not consistent, I kinda question what your angle is here.
post #2002 of 2020

Again, you failed to get my point. My point has nothing to do with where they manufacture their items. My point is which countries they choose to associate themselves with. Perhaps you are not clear of the origin of the company or choose to ignore the fact that the company is simply based in Hong Kong which was mentioned in the first campaign but now the sudden change in association, which leads to my disappointment. Again, this is still a small contentious point for myself compared to copying an established design.

 

 

post #2003 of 2020
The founders used to live in Hong Kong. They did not live in hk while they were creating the brand or designing the bags.

They moved to Italy to find new manufacturer and they are now based in Italy. I think they have been upfront about where they are based and where the product is manufactured.
post #2004 of 2020
While not as egregious as the backpack knockoff, the brief is very similar to this Thomas Lyte one too:

albemarle-executive-bag-canvas-petrol-back-base_1.jpg
post #2005 of 2020
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Left: Linjer, Right: Mismo Backpack

It's scary how even the color combination they decide to adopt looks so similar. guess design is not part of the luxury anymore 

(https://www.mismo.dk/collections/backpacks-minimal-danish-design-italian-canvas/products/backpack-navy-nylon-dark-brown-leather)
I'm not coming to their defense, but while it does look similar you picked bad image/product to compare. Even to my untrained eye I already spotted a few differences, two D-rings on the Linjer, button on the Mismo, line above the button on the Mismo, how far down the leather goes on the flap.
post #2006 of 2020

I have been "waitlisted" for soft briefcase over 6 months. I wonder why they keep inventing new products while they can't deliver the old ones. Disappointing.

post #2007 of 2020
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And I hate it when people claim their business are based in Europe to associate themselves with luxury when obviously their bags are all put together in China and they are based in Hong Kong because this is where their kickstarter campaign is from and where are their bags have been shipping out from. If your bags are made in China, be proud of it and stand by it your factory and the people who painstakingly manufacture your bags like what Everlane does.
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Again, you failed to get my point. My point has nothing to do with where they manufacture their items. My point is which countries they choose to associate themselves with. Perhaps you are not clear of the origin of the company or choose to ignore the fact that the company is simply based in Hong Kong which was mentioned in the first campaign but now the sudden change in association, which leads to my disappointment. Again, this is still a small contentious point for myself compared to copying an established design.

Sorry, I don't buy that you're just some concerned would-be customer. You don't have a consistent criticism, and you are constantly shifting goalposts. Like I said, I don't think Linjer can't be criticized, but if you're going to do it, at least tell a straight story and don't switch every time you get called out on not telling a straight one.
post #2008 of 2020

I didn't switch at all, my point has always been about which country they choose to associate their brand with, and I express my disappointment with that. No problem if that doesn't blend well with you, I respect that, and I believe anyone here has an unique opinion on style and brands and that's why we are all here. 

post #2009 of 2020

You are right that certain details do differentiate them, but its hard to assume that a design like theirs did not take any "strong reference" from the iconic M/S Mismo backpack. I guess the best would probably to hear from Mismo and Linjer themselves.

post #2010 of 2020
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While not as egregious as the backpack knockoff, the brief is very similar to this Thomas Lyte one too:

albemarle-executive-bag-canvas-petrol-back-base_1.jpg



@Linjer please copy this design and do a navy bag with cognac leather trim as it's a fantastic looking combo. Feel free to have it manufactured in China by your American company based in Europe. nod[1].gif
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